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Re: Open Source project idea needs interested developers

Posted by Frank Hale on 1999-10-04

> Its kinda funny, but its always you, Frank, that
> makes 
> me wonna reply, its always you who comes up with
> such a crap!
> 

Okay so its crap. Tell me whats wrong with it?

> How come you dont see the unfairness in your post
> here and 
> in the CG?

Whats unfair? Why shouldn't we be able to have the
code? If Jaz doesn't open the source then there should
be an effort to create a completely separate NAO or
something similar so others can enjoy this and create
there own sites with forums and online news.

> In my view it's quite impudent of you to
> look for 
> helping hands for a NAO clone on NAO or the CG. 

Well if the moderator doesn't like it then he/she can
delete the post. Don't complain to me if you don't
like my post complain to the moderator to delete my
post which is not up to standard.

>This
> is a 
> project that was not your idea, 

You absolutely right its not.

>Jaz asked for input
> several 
> times, why don't you come up with new ideas? 

Why should I give my opinions and ideas on a closed
source project? If I am never going to be able to look
at the code why should I help him when he reports bugs
in his code and is looking for help? Why should I
waste my time when his ideals are far different from
mine? If the project was for the benefit of the
community then we ideally should be able to help code
it. I cannot waste my precious time helping out on a
project that is closed to anyones eyes but Jaz's.

If this project was open then I ofcourse would have no
problem helping out.

>Why
> trying to 
> steal the complete project instead? 

Come on you act as if I have already completed
something and am competing with Jaz for userbase. Come
on the screen shot that I posted a message to was just
a knock up of an already existing forum that I wrote
months ago all I did was use the background images and
color scheme to make it look similar to NAO.

You really amaze me with your ability to jump on my
case so quickly.

>If you're
> interested in 
> the idea behind NAO you might have come up with
> promo actions 
> or you could have tried to push it into new
> directions. 

It all comes down to being an open project and it is
not, therefore I have no time or desire to give my
input.

>But 
> all you do is building a second front for Jaz, very
> nice, 
> thank you. I find this very offending, so much that,
> if I 
> were Jaz, I would exclude you from NAO, the CG and
> all 
> projects to come once and for all.
> 

Well that is just real nice, thank you for your
support. And since you don't understand the ideals
behind my motivation then just exclude me without
wanting to learn why it is I think the way I do.

And further more Jaz should not feel threatened by my
actions after all most of it is just talk. Incase you
failed to read the whole post you would have seen that
it said if there was no interest it wouldn't happen. I
am not going to do this alone. If there are others who
feel the way I do then we are more than free to
develop a site with feature similar to NAO if we so
desire. Who are you to stop me from creating? What
have I taken from Jaz that is so bad? Have I stolen
his code? No because I don't have access to it. Have I
reverse engineered his site? I hardly think so since
there is no possible way to do that. You see the only
way I can copy his site is if I start coding. There is
nothing wrong with coding an application to be like
another application, people do it everyday. So before
you jump to conclusions and make me sound like a
terrible person a person who has raped, murdered and
stole from his fellow man take a step back and try to
see the reasoning behind it.



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From: Frank Hale
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