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Just saw Matrix Reloaded today and just as i expected it was crap when compared to the first movie. The Matrix can never be improved upon due to its originality and special effects for the time. Not to say that Reloaded is not a good movie because it is a damn good moive, but its no matrix.

As for the end of the moive. I have heard a lot of people saying that Neo stopped the Squiddes. That there is a Matrix within the Matrix, the real world that we all thought was real is another Matrix. I do not like this at all. I don't even think Neo stopped the squiddes, i think the ship that rescued the Nebacanezer Trio released an EMP. I Just want to hear thoughts about the moive.

I, myself, liked it.

The second just added more complexity to the first, and does not try to take over the first. The second's main idea is to EXPAND the world of the matrix, making it more indepth, and the third is to be the conclusion.

The reason, maybe, why you love the first (like me) is the philosophy and groundbreaking effects. The second movie is the war part, full of action. Why arn't the graphics really ground breaking in the second? Because the First did them first, and the second improved upon the methods.

Personally, I like the second. The ending of the second especially made you think twice or thrice about the matrix.

As for the matrix inside of the matrix... The people of Zion are actually free, not in the matrix. The robots built the matrix to retain some order by allowing those who rebelled to go away, leaving the ones with no quarrel to 'meet thier quota'.

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Just saw Matrix Reloaded today and just as i expected it was crap when compared to the first movie. (. . .)

As for the end of the moive. I have heard a lot of people saying that Neo stopped the Squiddes. (. . .) I do not like this at all. I don't even think Neo stopped the squiddes, i think the ship that rescued the Nebacanezer Trio released an EMP. I Just want to hear thoughts about the moive.

I think that Reloaded was great, but that more people expected the same feel as the original, when that just wouldn't be possible because the story has to progress from the same feel (it would be far too boring, otherwise). As for the ending, I don't think that the Vengeance (?) could have released the EMP blast, because they would have to power back up, take off, and then show up; they got to Neo and his menagerie far too quickly for that. Perhaps Neo has some innate power against the machines because he truly is The One, to fulfill the prophecy beyond which his predecessors went (remember, he chose a different path from the rest of them).

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The machines were not taken down by the EMP from the Vigilance: Neo said something like "Something is different; I can feel them", so he obviously had some extra power. My guess is that he became part machine (I guess when Smith tried to infect him: it didnt fully work, but he became partly machine). Remember when Neo was talking to the council member, and he said its a good thing you can't sleep; it shows you're human. Well, now Neo is in a coma (he is sleeping): I guess this symbolizes that he's not fully human anymore. That would explain how he took down the machines. This could be totally wrong, but its my best guess.

"It was not God who created man, but man who created God." --Santa Caserio

That's actually a pretty interesting thought, j0. It must have been him that took them down, because there seems to be no other reason for him to have collapsed like he did. . .

But maybe he is the One, not just a particularly strong rebel. . . he chose a different path from the previous people thought to be "The One." One of the other options is of a Matrix inside the Matrix, but that seems far too complex and particularly unnecessary. Is it possible that Neo never looks at himself in the Matrix because he might see that he's completely different from everybody else? (Think Seraph meditating, glowing bright gold, surrounded by green code)

I'll believe in anything if you'll just believe in anything

I think that Neo IS "the one" because he is part machine, as he has been the whole time, and he is the only glitch in the maker's system. Neo is like a virus - he is the only human/machine that can break the matrix apart. I think that a Matrix inside a Matrix isn't going to be in the plot - but it's an interesting idea.

Is it possible that Neo never looks at himself in the Matrix because he might see that he's completely different from everybody else?

I don't think this is the case... Neo never looks at himself, but we get to see Neo in Matrix code when he first "plugs in"; we see him putting his glasses on in perfectly normal green code. I don't think he's any different in that regard.

"It was not God who created man, but man who created God." --Santa Caserio

Just saw the movie yesterday and am entitled to join the discussion now. :-)

Well here's my blind shot. I suspect that there's only one Matrix, but nobody has ever left the Matrix. In other words, Zion and the whole liberation war is just another illusion.
This would make an excellent controlling mechanism (<-- correct expression?), because people who think they're outside the Matrix wouldn't look for a way out.

It would also explain some other things:

• The architect saying "this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it [Zion]"

• Also, Neo being asked to pick 23 individuals to rebuild Zion. Why would the Matrix want this, if not for their own advantage?

• Agent Smith being able to duplicate himself into some real-life person, and being taken out of the Matrix. (Granted, there may also be another explanation for this, like Smith overwriting that person's real-life mind.)

• Neo being able to stop these guardian jellyfishes at the end of the movie. Normally he could only do that in the Matrix.

• (In part 1: The bad guy being roasted just when he was about to kill Neo, stating "if he really was the chosen one, something would prevent me from killing him.")

I'm sure there were others, but these are the ones I can think of right now. Now what do you think? :-)

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Well here's my blind shot. I suspect that there's only one Matrix, but nobody has ever left the Matrix. In other words, Zion and the whole liberation war is just another illusion.

Is this really so different from the Matrix Inside Matrix theory?

I think the story could work out without any additional worlds of illusion. Who would notice five ruins of older Zions hidden below the ground?

Also if Neo had been inside the Matrix all the time why was it only at the end of Part II that he was able to roast Jellyfish?

Something must have changed somewhere in Reloaded. It can't possibly have been the same way all along.

Some of my friends think that Neo gained his extra-Matrix, Jellyfish-roasting powers when Smith tried to assimilate him. Others believe that is had to do with Neo opting for the other door and thus letting this version of the Matrix spin out of control.

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Who would notice five ruins of older Zions hidden below the ground?

Yeah, but why would the machines want to rebuild Zion and thus form a new resistance? After all, the total destruction of Zion would solve their problem.

Also if Neo had been inside the Matrix all the time why was it only at the end of Part II that he was able to roast Jellyfish?

Probably he had that power all the time and just didn't know how to use it. Like when he was shot in the first part, and only afterwards learned that he's the chosen one and can stop the bullets...
(Or maybe the left door has something to do with it...)

Something must have changed somewhere in Reloaded. It can't possibly have been the same way all along.

Maybe Neo changed somebody when he took the left door. IIRC, when the Jellyswarm approached he said something like "something's different. I can feel (sense?) them."
(The German word for "feel" and "sense" is the same, so I can't tell which one it's supposed to be.)

Another thing that came to my mind. In the second part the architect says "the matrix is older than you know."

So many maybe's. I'm looking forward to november.

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.