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This may be going off onto an altogether different tangent...but I was rethinking the theory in which Christianity plays an important role in the Matrix trilogy. You've heard the way of thought...that Neo represents Christ and so on. I saw Reloaded yesterday...and the new revelations confused me. The only way I could make sense of it all, more specifically what the Architect said, is to apply the Pseudo-Christian them upon the film...meaning that every character transcends from a biblical character. So who would the Architect be? He claims to know all of the answers, and that he should be trusted. Who in the Bible acts like that? I can only think of the False Prophet. The Antichrist. Any thoughts on the subject?

I believe you are mistaken in that Neo doesn't need a phone, remember in the first movie, he dies, comes back, deals with the agents, than hears Trinity or whatever and rushes back to the phone to get out, than the emp. He could have found a way past that in the second movie, you never see him use a phone, but you don't see anyone but those first two guys use one either. Just a point.

Do you like blue? I hope so, cuz thats the one thing about me that shall never change.

This post was edited by b1uehairedfreak on May 20, 2003.

A quick side note - the first matrix movie was created without the intention of creating any more movies - it should have been kept this way.

I'm not entirely convinced - they certainly kept it wide open for a sequel and the final line certainly indicated that this was just the start of the story but you can never be sure of how well a film will do and whether or not you'll get the funding.

Yeah, but why would the machines want to rebuild Zion and thus form a new resistance? After all, the total destruction of Zion would solve their problem.

Because the only Matrix which has been remotely sucessful has the built in flaw where some people will refuse the Matrix reality and 'wake-up'.
Also there isn't a problem of Zion as far as they are concerned - how could it be a problem if it's been handled several times before (with obvious sucess)?

Oh and they're Sentinels - not Jellyfish!

Why arn't the graphics really ground breaking in the second? Because the First did them first, and the second improved upon the methods.

The effects in the first one were actually much better. They used much more computer generated images in this second one. Pay special attention to the scene where Neo fights the copies of Smith. They are plainly computer generated. The first one used the actual actors much more often and used more advanced camera techniques.

This post was edited by mace on May 21, 2003.

Of course, because there is one agent smith. I've looked into animation (I do lots of photoshop stuff, plan to learn 3dsmax5) and what they did is amazing.

The fact that they seemlessly blended together (as far as the agent smiths go, but neo could have used a little more work on the twising around scene.) If you noticed they all acted individual, which is more than the director could hope for. If they had just did all the agent smith reactions, the movie would have exceded its already huge budget, and that money was saved for the fight scene in revolutions (IN THE RAIN! AWSOME!).

Reloaded did improve on the slow motion scenes (see agent smith fight, twising). It was far more realistic than the first. Mind you, the people doing the matrix were not an established company. A company will probably spring up to take hold of those animators, just as ILM did in star wars, so we have to give them credit. Watch it again (like i wish i could ;) and notice that the animated characters flow and act well, even if they look animated. That is very hard to do with live acting splicings.

Fond memories

The fact that they all act differently is nothing new or terribly impressive. Recall Lord of the Rings? :P

LOTR animations were good but no way near as good as the matrix ones. In LOTR they all do the same animation just at different times. In the matrix all the smiths (only smith not agent smith =P ) seem to have their own personality, they don’t do the same animations.

Also the bullet time in the first one was just around in a circle where as in this one you get zooming along with other stuff. The CGI in this one was incredible (I’m a 3d modeler so I know good modeling when I see it) well the twins could have been a bit better, but that’s just my opinion

Did anyone notice that there seems to be several trailers for matrix 3 but all slightly different.
Like in one you see the back of an operator that looks a lot like tank. But didn’t Zee say that see lost 2 brothers to "that ship" so how can he be alive if it is him.

In the trailer you see Trinity fighting some guy in a bondage mask who seems to be walking on the roof. I think the matrix is glitching, maybe because of smith (read below)

An idea I have been kicking around is that in the 3rd one Smith has taken over everyone inside the matrix, well at least that city they are in. If you watch the trailer you see the rows of smiths but if you look up in the windows you see people watching also which makes me think that smith has taken over everyone. You also see him sorta fly... don’t know if he is flying or just diving.

As for Morpheus not having any "powers" out side of the matrix, this would be because although his mind is free its not free like Neos.

"A sentinel for every man woman and child inside Zion"
Ok how would the machines know how many people are inside Zion
They would only know about the people that have been released from the matrix. So what about the "Genuine children of Zion" how do they know how many of them there are.

A sentinel for every man woman and child inside Zion"
Ok how would the machines know how many people are inside Zion
They would only know about the people that have been released from the matrix. So what about the "Genuine children of Zion" how do they know how many of them there are.

Smith affected this guy so he can go to the real world, so maybe the machins have human agents too...

but what i asked myself, the chance that out of 250000 people over a period of 72 hours, a new baby is born, is very big, so what do the machines do then ?

"Oh no, they are one more...dammit we're gonna lose, ok machines, let's leave Zion or this one baby will destroiy us all"

Why do films always have to be with thos exact numbers...i mean in reallife, there are never exactly 250000 inhabitans in a city

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"The wise have always said the same things, and fools have always done the opposite"-Schopenhauer

The machines are perfect they will do everything by the numbers. Hence the one for everyone in zion. As morpheus said "Machine logic"

and the idea of human agents would work if there was another matrix. And this is where tank comes into to it (its just an idea im not to sure about it), if tank is in the next movie like i saw on the trailer he could possibly be an agent. Im not saying that everyone that is born in Zion is an agent im just saying that Tank could be.

Well, i agreed (Eljefe) with you fully, until the part of there can't be a matrix within a matrix, because the people in Zion are free??Are they really?? Consider this,that they may have been born not IN THAT 'particular' MATRIX, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're completely free either. Reason: look at the people in the matrix who thought or think they're free. A world that covers their eyes and suppresses their minds from seeing 'THE TRUTH' .Now, as for those in 'ZION'. Try to have an open mind on it like this..and also at least picture it from this perspective?..? It would make sense to feel or sense or even 'SEE' a 'matrix within a matrix' for the simple reason that the human psyche/mind only uses 10% as the average mind capacity. But now, that's not my point..but hold on to it..(for later?) Consider this, there are all sorts of levels when the human psyche or consciousness expands to different levels of reality/dimensions/conscience. Sort of like ascending. And as the Matrix adequately put it, where there's a beginning, there's also a end. But also vice versa starting with end. This is going to get deep, but try to bare with me. I agree totally to what you said, but adding on to it now..
There are things in which people don't believe or have any empirical knowledeg on, which in a sense is ignorance, and just because you don't see it or believe it doesn't mean it can't exist for reality is illusion and illusion is reality. The first Matrix movie even gives hints to it. When 'MOrpheous' was trying to tell or show Neo what the matrix is and what had happen in it's history with the machines to give him update to that particular point as to what had become of the real world. 'Remember' morpheous in Matrix 1 was saying, " WHAT IS REAL, DEFINE REAL? IF YOU ARE SPEAKING ON WHAT YOU CAN TOUCH, TASTE, SEE, OR HEAR; THEN REAL IS NOTHING MORE THAN ELECTRICAL SIGNALS TRAVELED TO YOUR BRAIN." Basically, meaning, what the mind considers by sense to be real is real. Consider this also, that the universe is one big Powerplant, and we are it's generators who can either when 'FULLY CONSCIOUS' or " SELF~REALIZED' can directly generate that power from the source. But when we're 'NOT' fully conscious we only get a part of the picture and these so called miracles or miraculous things happen of course due to cause and effect (meaning law of ONE or duality which becomes ONE) that we only get parts of the source indirectly. It's like a clog artery that only gets part blood circulation to flow correctly. So in other words, the first movie gives off hints for the second and even the third. For all things return from whence they came and that's 'THE or THEIR SOURCE'. To say there is a matrix within a matrix, to me from personally experiencing the unimagineable in my life and discovering truth and seeing parts or fragments of THE TRUTH. I definitely can relate to the Matrix movie..cause in acutality..we live in a MATRIX. All things have truth in them. i didn't say THE TRUTH, i said 'TRUTH'. Neo went through a Christ type simulation as far as resurrection or buddha which means 'Enlightend one or awakend one'; after the first Matrix movie he was more self~realized, but still has to go through different ascensions and inner~discoveries before he'll 'FULLY' be able to realized who he truly is. He knows , but he doesn't remember 'why?' as the oracle also said in the Matrix 1, but more obviously in Matrix reloaded. 'Choice' is the option. He's already made, but doesn't remember or know why. NOw, question that is so obvious to 'viewers' of the movie is: "What happen in the 'REAL WORLD' when he stopped the squiddies/sentients well, it could obviously be looked at from infinite angles , but i'm going to speak on my theory. i believe all beings have the possibitly to awakend the christ conciousness from within. i'm not a new ager or have a certain religion. But i can see and relate all things. Even though Neo is like a Christ type being with Zion in it as well as the bible's zion. Morpheous of course could be looked at as a guide or John the Baptist..and Trinity well the name speaks for itself. But, the next Matrix (matrix:revolutions)seems that it 'possibly' will reveal that we have to get past the first level of matrixes to overcome the external. Obviously in the mind of Neo, Morphoeous, Trinity and others unplugged/saved/awakend they have put that the world they're in is the real. But again, it's another Matrix, that has to be broken. Now obviously the question from most of you is this to me. Explain the machines and they're take over of humans in the 'real world' who's they're architect/creator. It's all the same!! These worlds contain truths in them, but not the clear picture. One must completely free their minds to see these truths and must experience the inner world of fears,phobias, doubts and unlock the SOURCE from which all things are. Then they'll be able to utilize that inner awareness to the external or outer world. Which is actually a manifestation of innerness. What's on the inside comes to the outside. Neo in the third, I THINK will have to go into isolation/meditation/coma and discover what he's still "WAITING FOR' as the oracle said in the matrix one. i know yall are thinking that was only before Agent Smith shot him and he resurrected. But that part also goes with the third movie. Look at the first two movies again. And study them.That's my theory on the matrix within the matrix. Sorry , this was so long. But i had to speak MY MIND. But like i said, this could be looked at from many angles. None of the perspectives are wrong. Just truths/puzzles that have to be put together. Thank yall for reading. Feel free to respond. God~Bless and peace!

This post was edited by TheCREATOR on Oct 22, 2003.