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Mar 04, 2004 13:41 # 20101
Mar 04, 2004 14:04 # 20104
Mar 04, 2004 18:07 # 20108
That is actually a very interesting question.
I believe that as long as you're in a public space you have a "right" to smoke cigarettes in so far that a policeman couldn't force you to stop smoking even if it was the wish of the attendant crowd.
However, if you're on private property (a bar or a restaurant), its owner could have you removed if you refuse to extinguish your cigarette, couldn't they? Can smoking still be a constitutional right, if that case?
I couldn't quote passages from the constitution for this, but you asked for opinions after all.
'Yeah, That's what Jesus would do. Jesus would bomb Afghanistan. Yeah.' - snowlion
Mar 06, 2004 18:42 # 20152
My vote swings closer to what Jaz said than anything else.. unfortunately it's one of those ugly topics that people are often extremely sensitive about.
I'm just not all that hot on the idea of other people contributing to my early death without my consent...
"The artist is nothing without the gift, but the gift is nothing without work"
Mar 01, 2009 20:43 # 46280
All American Citizens have the Constitutional Right to smoke. It is their choice and decision.
Smokers, just like everyone else are forced to beathe in fumes from factories, vehichles, processing plants etc. All the same.
Anyone not wanting to breathe cigarette smoke should realize that the Euro did studies that disproved smoke in any form did caused cancer but tried to keep the findings hidden. That didn't work however so they have issued a watered down version...not the TRUTH in FULL detail!
OSHA found the amounts even in confined areas were minuet compared to even the acceptable levels.Drs are now coming forward with statements that cigarette smoke does not cause cancer and speaking of all the things smoking helps PREVENT.
There is one big drug company that has pushed the propaganda and of course the gov has become rich from the singled out SOLE target of smokers to tax (which is UN constitutional).
Gov.leadership that have perpetuated this propaganda are on the verge of exposure for this unconstitutional activity as well as others activities that unsuspecting and non questioning Americans are not aware of.
It is only about time! Those that spout it is a violation of the 'temple' apparently have missed the understanding...The Temple is occuppied BY Almighty and Most High God...NOT a line of First God and then a bunch of other pagan gods sitting around there also...all of the pagan gods of course with their demands. Only ONE...Almighty and Most High GOD is Supreme and Absolute.HE is a Jealous God and will NOT share the temple.
Gods people perish from lack of knowledge of HIM, HIS Ways and HIS Precepts and in all too many cases the leaderships over 'the people' bottle feed and tickle ears until 'the people' are in a lathargic and near zombie state of mind and the big push generally is to keep them that way...nudging them only to make sure 'the people' Give Money.
Research these things for your selves. Justice begins with Truth and The truth shall set you free
This post was edited by Selu on Mar 01, 2009.
Mar 02, 2009 17:55 # 46284
Mar 02, 2009 18:21 # 46285
I have several links with information.
The first link it to Supreme Law with a GREAT Deal of Constitutional information. Once you get in this site...be sure that one of the first links you look into is 'The Federal Zone'
This is the single most honest and straight forward information sites you will find anywhere!
Be sure to read about paul Andrew Mitchell who KNOWS what he is writing about. http://supremelaw.org/sls/31answers.htm
This is a LOT of information and will take a LOT of reading but Well Worth It.
The next is an article that refers to CA but if you type in CAFR in your search engine you can find your state as well...very informative.
Finally I am including a newsletter with article number.
Once you access this site scroll down to where you see the word 'video' in the link and watch this. Actually ALL of this is good.
Once you read the first link to information I have given...it would be good to save the link and to share it. Americans have been fed so called federal lies for so long they actually think it is a part of our Constitution as well as think the irs is (IT IS NOT!) It is a Private Collection Agency and has it's offices in the islands where there is NO law requiring them to tell Americans where their money goes or to who...anyway...you will find all of this in the info links.
Mar 08, 2004 03:14 # 20178
The foundation of this country is the protection of the minority. Itís not a perfect system and ďitís the worst, besides all others.Ē In practicality, this is one of those issues like many, where ones rights effects the others rights. I have a right not to breathe smoke just as much as they have the right to smoke it. We live under a social agreement that protects a smokers right to pursue that happiness. There may come a time, as it has inside buildings, that smoking will be banned in outside public places due to over crowding, population issues. But none the less, as our rights become more and more restricted in a country of growing population, which will of necessity bring more restrictions, it is essential that smokers be as free as Big Mac eaters to pursue what ever they see fit. It is essential to our way of life. This is a small issue with respect to freedom, but itís the ďsmall foxes that spoil the vineyardĒ not the elephant.
Mar 08, 2004 08:44 # 20180
Rich, That is absolutely a wonderful explaination of it. I've been trying to have similar conversations about other topics with friends, my wife and other people. I've not been able to give them a clear answer like you just gave us. I was trying to stress that we have to protect that which we don't like because if not then we are sacrificing our freedoms in the long run. I'd just like to thank you for that great explanation!
Oh and I rated that post excellent... (And I'm going to keep stating what rating I give a post when I reply and maybe just maybe it will entice others to use the rating functionality)
This post was edited by majic on Mar 08, 2004.
Mar 13, 2004 05:20 # 20285
I was trying to stress that we have to protect that which we don't like because if not then we are sacrificing our freedoms in the long run.
In saying that by protecting some things you donít like you are protecting your own freedom, you are most correct.
The trick however, and where things get a little gray in practical application, is when is anotherís freedom not worth protecting. When anotherís action is damaging to both freedom and decency is that the same as one who fights for a decent and constructive freedom.
I think we must wisely decide what apposing actions we must stand up for and which we must fight against.
The United States up to this point, as no other country in history, has had this wisdom. It is not perfect, and itís "the worst I know, besides all others".
It is my hope and prayer that God will continue "to shed his grace on thee".
Mar 08, 2004 19:46 # 20194
There may come a time, as it has inside buildings, that smoking will be banned in outside public places due to over crowding, population issues.
Smoking is actually already a huge danger to the general populace in China. Two thirds of the men in China smoke cigarettes, and the sheer volume of crap this puts into the air has caused the rates of diseases like emphysema and bronchitis to skyrocket. I don't know what exactly the Chinese government plans to do, though; the bureaucracts tend to think of themselves first, last, and always.
I'll believe in anything if you'll just believe in anything
Do we need to have everything spelled out in the constitution. NO!! We can't smoke at work, resturants, bars, private clubs, and now in open air public parks. What is next? Is the government and the anit-smokers going to pass a law that we can't smoke in our own homes or yards. When are they(anti-smokers) going to be satisfied? Smokers may not have a constitutional right to smoke but there is also nothing in the constitutio that forbids smoking.
I understood when they banned smoking in thw work place and resturants. Non-smokers shouldn't have to smell the smoke all day at work and that includes waiters and waitresses in resturants and bars. But when the anti-smoking crusaders start saying we can't smoke outdoors that is going too far. We have given up all of our rights and privileges for them and we pay very heavily in increased taxes for the privilege to smoke. Now they don't even want to walk past someone that is smoking. No one can say that banning outdoor smoking is a health issue because it just doesn't make sense. Inhaling cigarette smoke for a few seconds as you pass someone or for an hour while your kids play in the park once a week is not going to give you cancer. If you believe that you are a fool.
When will it be enough? Smokers should stop paying all of the state and federal taxes on cigarettes and see where their state budgets would replace all of the billions of dollars we pay in to their system. I believe you would see a big change in what these people are bitching about.