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Alot of them are not even from Iraq.

Yeah, with this Iraq war Bush has very effectively created an enormous breeding ground for international terrorism. The terrorist recruiters from all over the world probably can't believe their luck. Agreed.

No one, not me not you here knows what was in the second batch of photos.

I'll tell you what I've heard in the news (different sources) and you tell me what you think, okay?

• TV: a French reporter and his camera team managed to get smuggled inside Falluja. They filmed how US snipers shot at Iraqi civilians, Red Cross staff (waving their passports in the air and shouting "we're Canadians, we have our passports here, don't shoot!" through a megaphone), ambulances trying to collect the wounded, and their camera man. They interviewed a doctor who was doing emergency operations in a dirty blood-stained room because (according to him) the US troops won't allow them to re-open the hospital.

• TV/radio/internet/newspaper: People who have seen the second batch of pictures concurringly tell about prisoners being sexually assaulted & raped, bleeding prisoners being attacked by army dogs, prisoners being beaten up really badly. Some hint at dead bodies (altho not many).

• TV: US senators (Dems and Reps alike) looking very shocked after being presented with the not-yet-published material, and using words like "appalling" and "disgusting" to describe what they've just seen. (Doesn't sound like a simple joke to me!)

I'm sure there are more, but to be honest, I don't have much time, and I think the list above tells enough for the moment.

If you really haven't seen (or heard of) any of this, I absolutely suggest that you change your news sources! Don't watch FOX all day. I'm not sure if you get them, but in case you do try watching BBC World, ARD/ZDF (German), or maybe the news of RTL (German) and ORF (Austrian). Try www.reuters.com or (if you speak German) www.orf.at or www.drs.ch (look for "International"). Use your favorite P2P client to search for any combinations of "iraq", "interview", "pow", "troops", "falluja" (or "falludscha"). I'm not saying you should blindly believe anything you find there, but if you want information they're pretty good sources (IMHO).

Since when is getting "humiliated" inhumane.

Since it happens systematically, on a large scale, to defenseless prisoners. Again, have you ever heard of the Geneva Convention or that list of basic human rights? Your country signed these papers... I know, it's a long time ago and Bush is world champion in breaking international treaties, but it'd still be nice if the people who call themselves the "good guys" would respecht such unimportant things.

But it's not true, it's speculation and imagination.

See list above.

Who said this? Saddam did do that. Saddam gassed his own people.

Agreed. And I don't want to defend that action. (Just have to add that it was the USA who gave him the gas, and they might have had a pretty good idea what he was going to use it for.)
But: While I can't really approve of gassing people, he didn't do this all the time! He may have been an asshole, the whole country may have been under his knout, there may have been occasional crimes against civilians - but the point is this, most people had what they needed to live. No bombed cities, no daily fights, no foreign snipers shooting at everything that moves. It's a war down there, and people are sick of it. And they blame the US, and who could say this is unreasonable?
I for one have yet to see a bunch of Iraqi civilians cheering and welcoming the invaders. That may have happened after Saddam was ousted and his statue torn down, but in the meantime things have steadily become worse, instead of the secure and prosperous democracy the invaders promised. I for one can understand the fury of the Iraqis.

You're making assumptions.

No, I'm surfing the Internet, reading newspapers and watching TV to collect as much information as possible, and based on that form my opinion. I may not know everything, but don't tell me everything I say or write is based on nothing but assumptions.

That's what happened under Saddam's rule.

Possibly. And now the same things happen under Bush's rule. The only difference is that Bush claims he's the good guy who makes everything better.

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

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(Just have to add that it was the USA who gave him the gas, and they might have had a pretty good idea what he was going to use it for.)

I'll see your "gave him the gas" and raise you a "gave him the satellite coordinates of the victims."

Ewige Blumenkraft!

and raise you a "gave him the satellite coordinates of the victims."

Did they really do that?

Ewige Blumenkraft!

Illuminati or A.A.?: -)

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

They sure did.

Mac Causey, LDD

Ewige Blumenkraft!

Wow, one never ceases to learn.

Say hello to Hagbard if you see him. :-)

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

I named my desktop celine and my laptop is eris, hard disk named Kallisti (And of course they are Apple machines:P)

Hail Eris!

Ewige Blumenkraft!

I named my desktop celine and my laptop is eris, hard disk named Kallisti

Whatever happened to FUCKUP. :-)

On a side note, isn't Illuminatus a wonderful example of how drugs can influence your creativity. But then again, maybe that's not a thing to be discussed in this thread.

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

Drugs can certainly get you outside of yourself and all the garbage that culture sheds on you.... They can also do some pretty scary things to you...

Ewige Blumenkraft!

When people in the Military are trained to withstand interrogation they are put through much more Hell than anything that went on in Iraq. And that's training.

No, they aren't. By the way, were you there or something? How do you know what went on? I really doubt that soldiers are fondled during training or told that their genitals are hooked up to a car battery or that they have guard dogs bite huge chunks of flesh out of their abdomens.

And you're also assuming that these POWs, many of whom have been released, are all terrorists. This is clearly not the case.

get a clue...

Ewige Blumenkraft!

This post was edited by mclaincausey on May 14, 2004.

I really doubt that soldiers are fondled during training or told that their genitals are hooked up to a car battery or that they have guard dogs bite huge chunks of flesh out of their abdomens.
And you're also assuming that these POWs, many of whom have been released, are all terrorists. This is clearly not the case.

Again, we have you heard this? The ones that were released were not the ones picked up for attacking convoys.

Can you say leftist yellow journalism?