Reading Politics

Well..Well..Well… I believe we have some of the same old politics going on in the Presidential race. Isn't it a shame that our President has to stoop to the level of ignorance with these anti Kerry and Athens Olympic ads? To be quite honest, I will probably not vote. I dislike Bush, and I really do not care for Kerry, although I do like Edwards. In the race to the White House, these ads really show who the responsible adult is, and it’s not Bush. I will give Kerry credit, thus far, he has held his composure. He has not stooped to Bush's level.
Another point, Bush never ceases to amaze me on how he is such a dumb American. With everything he does he keeps adding to his ignorance level. Seriously, he has got to be one of the biggest idiots to ever be President! He has severed may ties with other countries, and made Americans look like we are just like his cowardly big headed self.
This also frustrates me about American politics. Look, we have all these individuals; Bush, Dole, and more that want to attack Kerry on his war record. Well, at least Kerry went to Vietnam, cannot say the same for you Bush. Many of our Presidents never went to war. Yet they make all these war decisions. I salute Dole as a war veteran, but the only reason he is making such a fuss is the fact that he is not in the limelight and he yearns to be so badly. He also wants people to know "He was injured more." How childish does that sound? Shut up Dole. Why don't you and your dumb ass friend Bush focus on the real issues in the United States and the rest of the world. Instead the both of you are trying to build truth out of lies with your negative Kerry ads. Grow up. There is more to deal with than some overgrown babies crying about a Purple Heart or two.
This is why I do not vote.
With all politics, this is what we as Americans get. Whether running for Governor, Senate, or President, all we hear is blahhh, blahhh, blahhh, and the same 'ol negative ads. Why doesn't anyone talk about the real problems and the potential solutions? These Politians are all the same: Whiny rich kids. So we as average everyday Americans always have the Bush's of the world as our representatives. My opinion; life was definitely better when Clinton was in office.

As history shows us, it has always been Aces over Kings

This post was edited by havananights on Aug 26, 2004.

Well...your decision to not vote will put you in the legions of same minded Americans who have put our government in the hands of the few.

quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Wow, I must have offended some pro-Bush's/pro-Dole's here. What, someone cannot handle the truth? This is crazy, to receive a 51%. Actually that is kind of bullshit if you ask me. Why the 51%? What I wrote is true and currently happening as I speak. For the most part I came from a non bias stance. If you consider my post as slamming Bush; turn on the T.V., read the newspaper, or look it up online. He is not playing fair. When someone makes up nonsense to gain more political power that is low and unjust. Yet it always happens. What I stated in my post is all true. I mentioned in the beginning I was not sticking up for either party, hence being a no show at voting time. Remember what happened in Florida, ok.
Did the two individuals that tanked me read the article in its entirety, or maybe they formed a judgment on reading a few lines. Hell, maybe they are not up on the current events, and they have no idea what is going on in the political race. Or get this; I probably offended someone when I stated that life was somewhat easier when Clinton was in office. In my opinion that is true. That is my opinion. Wait, hold on oh yeah, someone’s opinion differed from mine and as a result I received a 51%. I thought the posts were "graded" as writing pieces and not of opinions. Well then this particular post will be an interesting “grade”.
Back to my opinion, Clinton had the task of cleaning up all the mess that Bush Senior created. For eight years business boomed, our debt was nil, jobs were strong, we built stronger multiple country relations, etc, etc. Now Jr. is in office, and if Kerry wins he will have quite a mess to clean up. Do not judge Clinton as a bad president on the grounds of what happened with his affairs. What he did was wrong, no doubt. Still that does not make him a poor president. He just made poor decisions with his personal life. Look at all the other presidents that did the same, and yes that includes even dear 'ol Kennedy. The difference, well the media is stronger now then it was when Kennedy held office.
At Netalive, if there are individuals that do not enjoy my blunt honest approach to writing, then do me a favor and don’t read my posts. Now I wash my hands of this.

As history shows us, it has always been Aces over Kings

This post was edited by havananights on Aug 26, 2004.

Hmm well i don't have strong opinions on this since i dont live in America, but all i would say is that people shouldnt be rating your post on whether or not they agreed with it anyway.

I remember what happened in Florida. Do you?

Florida went to the Republicans because a large number of people didn't even register to vote because nobody in great parts of the state, especially the panhandle, barely knew what was going on. People were turned away at the polls for not having their voter registration information (which, in the state of Florida, you do not need, so long as you have other forms of identification like SSN, driver's license, etc.), or as convicts, even if they had been paroled and allowed to vote, sometimes even being held back for crimes that were logged as happening between 2003-2008. Yeah, they knew when people would commit crimes later on, so they held 'em back. People didn't vote because they couldn't get to the polls, especially in the panhandle, and there weren't enough people who cared to try to set up carpools or anything of the like to get to the polls. People didn't vote because apathy, in so many forms, spread throughout the state, and much of the country. There were so many people saying "My vote doesn't count, so why should I try to (x)" that a minority of extreme right-wing (by American standards) politicians took power, against the will of hte majority of Americans. Don't say your vote doesn't count. If you think your vote is worthless, then do something about it. Try to be more involved, and GET OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED. If you bring people to politics, your vote and theirs can make a difference, because every person you convince to be more interested in an election can spread it to more folks, so on and so forth. I can't vote in this coming election, and I'm sick and motherfucking tired of hearing people say "my vote doesn't count, I probably won't bother" when my sister and I, and countless numbers of people across the country have been going around, registering people to vote trying to plant the seeds of political interest to fight the apathetic "my vote doesn't count" syndrome. You don't like how the system is working out for you? DO SOMETHING.

I'll believe in anything if you'll just believe in anything

Yes I know exactly what happened in Florida. I have many family members and friends that live in the Sunshine State. Yes there were voters that gave up and didn’t vote, and no, that was not the entire story. Let’s get one thing straight. I never said my vote does not matter. I don't know if you are venting about other individuals or if you are putting me in the classification of those people that say "my vote doesn't matter, why bother." Whatever your reasons, lets make sure we get this point clear. In both of my posts, I never said that particular phrase. I remember saying I really do not feel like voting because I dislike Bush, and I really do not care for Kerry, although I do like Edwards. That is what I remember saying. I am not talking about my vote making an impact. In my posts, I am talking about how multiple individuals are not playing fairly.
You are right about saying; "Do something." I plan on doing something. Right now I feel through all my political posts I might educate certain individuals. I hunger to educate the individuals that do not entirely know what is going on in the political world. Even though I stated; I probably will not vote, that doesn't mean I haven’t a clue about what is going on in our political environment.
In the future I plan on running for some type of office. The only way to make a change is to create one. The only way to create a change is in your words “Doing something.” Kudos to you for stirring up the voting public. One thing you might want to take into consideration when you get sick and motherfucking tired is some people (voters) are also sick and motherfucking tired. They are sick and motherfucking tired that every four years it is the same type of Politicians, and their voices are never heard. They tend to start saying "My vote doesn't matter, why bother." You might want to hold more compassion for those individuals that have lost sight on the bigger picture.

As history shows us, it has always been Aces over Kings

Are the U.S. election campaigns slandering? Totally. Are they focusing on Vietnam too much? Yes, to the point of redundant stupidity. But why?

Because they don't think the American people are willing to vote one way or another for any reason other than a 30 year old war record and the fear of electing someone who will change their life.

Are they wrong? It's hard to tell.

I think the problem is that so many people see themselves as living in their country, not as being a part of that country. And it's true that the relationship between the government and the populace has become horribly screwed up (to the point that saying "you would make a great politician" has become an insult). But when it comes down to a choice between making it worse and keeping it the same, people will invariably choose the status quo. And now that the party lines have drawn closer and become blurred, people who percieve that it will stay the same no matter what they do will, and happily or not, decide that their vote makes no difference in their lives.

But to me it seems a tiny bit hypocritical to expect so much from, and to brutally criticise your system and them to fail to recognise your contribution to it. If everyone wants change, then they should change themselves- then the politicians would give us the options we want, because we are the politicians, just like we are the teachers, the construction worker, and everything and everyone else.

As to your original post, I don't think it was rated down by Bush-lovers... they don't last long around here. Personally I thought the only thing wrong with it was the title, which was gramatically bewildering and had nothing to do with the post itself.

"History is more or less bunk." - Henry Ford

This post was edited by Bunk on Aug 27, 2004.

Everyone has exercised their opinions, and marked their stance on the right to vote. Now I am not taking away anything from those individuals that are still too young to vote. Those of you that are under eighteen, the real world has not hit you yet. You are all wise way beyond your years, and I tip my hat to every single one of you. However, you lack one important ingredient, and that is independency. I am sure that the majority of you joggle part-time jobs, while bettering yourselves in the last years of high school. Still, the real world has not hit you yet. You do not know exactly what it is like to be independent. To have your own life, meaning a career, house, car, bills, and bills. I applaud each of you in your extreme amount of intelligence. Still, your judgment is fresh and one sided. The independence is not there in the sense of relying on ones parents for shelter, food, and or other forms of stability.
Now I agree with what Bunk stated.

But to me it seems a tiny bit hypocritical to expect so much from, and to brutally criticize your system and them to fail to recognize your contribution to it. If everyone wants change, then they should change themselves-

He is right, to an extent. As Americans, we as in the working force and most underrated of them all, contribute much to the United States. The blue collar worker does demand so much from our system. We should, and here are a few reasons why. Number one. Our lives. When conflicts flare up, the blue collar communities are the ones called upon to fight. Number two. As working class Americans we work to live. Tax relief, no the working class really doesn't see too much of that. In actuality we usually pay more, unless we have a family. For those single or non-child families we see about 33% of our weekly incomes going to taxes. Then we get the privilege in witnessing the government waste our precious tax dollars. Number three ties into number one. The working class is the majority of America. The rich are the minority. Yet the rich run our country, with no prospective of a blue collar workers life.

then the politicians would give us the options we want, because we are the politicians, just like we are the teachers, the construction worker, and everything and everyone else.

I agree and disagree with this statement. In the real world this does not happen. The majority of Politicians have their own agenda. The teachers, construction workers, and the other entire blue collar workers keep this beautiful country running. Yet the white collars run this country. See we have some fuzzy judgments. If you haven't read my Rush Limbaugh post, do so. The first areas that get financial cuts every time are the schools or any form of educational development. Second is our law enforcement. However, politicians get automatic pay raises every year, and continue to get paid after office.

If everyone wants change, then they should change themselves-

True statement, but there is more to a better political America than just that. Go back to any great turning point in America or in the world, and you will see a great person leading many. All the Gandhi's, Martin Luther King's, Roosevelt's, Lincoln's, Shastri's, Nehru's, just to name a few were all great leaders. One reason they were all great; they held the courage to stand up to all the old ways, old laws, corrupted politicians, etc. They believed in a better India, a better America, a better Pakistan, a better world. They displayed courage and an ability to lead/motivate those that others cared less about. They knew more than likely they themselves would not see a change, but if they motivated the people whom followed, a change would come. Every one of those great leaders I mentioned, their lives were cut short. More than likely, most great leaders in history were killed before they witnessed the results of their actions. I see in our current world many individuals are too intimidated to stand up.

As history shows us, it has always been Aces over Kings

This post was edited by havananights on Aug 27, 2004.

This post is excellent. A true view of the facts of being an American. So, in answer to your first post. The campaign going on now has sunk into basically a facade to keep both candidates expressing a stance on real issues, in my humble opinion.

My jaw gapes in admiration at both sides ability to "putting a spin" on anything, lol, absolutely anything!!!!

quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Well said, Magnifico, my post was NOT about whoever you might want to vote for. Too many years of people NOT voting have made the general population of each state less important to their senators and representatives (despite their immediate denials) than lobbyists, and high dollar concerns. In a nutshell, the government is swinging more and more to short sighted goals rather than toward a mix of long term affects and short term.

In elections, the general vote has always been secondary to the electoral vote...but the electoral used to listen more to the public vote and that is not happening.

Vote...even if you write in a candidate!!! Every vote states there is someone out there, watching Big Brother if we want to get into paranoia. Wahhhhaaaahaaa.

quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

This post was edited by gentledeepwaters on Aug 26, 2004.