Reading Politics

They may ignore some glaring problems, but they attack him on everything. Problem is we get assaulted from every corner, movies, broadcast media, print media. I'm tired of it. I just want to hear about it on the news, read it abit, but Michael Moore is crossing lines. Cinema is a sacred instiution, and should be separated from the state (with some limits of course).

Frankly, if a movie is politically motivated, don't do it. It is too easy to put lies into a movie and get away with it (no one holds movies accountable to being factual, but they check the press with fine tooth combs). It's alright to choose a more conservative government in a movie, or make decisions on the cinematography and scriptwriting that lean towards a side, but I've had enough documentaries.

I digressed didn't I? I don't disagree with your opinion, but I believe the international "bush bashing" is not due primarily to 'better' new sources, but his internationally abrasive policies...

Fond memories

Its not that I agree with all of what each has to say. Its the fact that Kerry has even less sense than Bush. Any bashing on anyone politically should not be trusted... Im conservative at heart... but was recently upset due to the bashing of Kerry about his military background. Bush was in a war... So was Kerry... No need to disgrace what service they gave by bashing one another on past events that didnt affect the presidency. Im still very glad Bush won over Gore... Due to the fact Gore's head was up his ass. :P.

Im not saying Kerry isnt a good person... or that Bush is any amount better. I just believe that our country needs a president that doesnt hide behind closed doors and get blowjobs all day. *cough* no need to explain. The democratic party has desecrated what was a glorified position in politics... Im not saying things that clinton did were any dif. than what others had done in the past. But being able to keep a secret is a great gift :P.

Over all the canidates presented in the past and in the present... Bush would be the best choice in a time of crisis.

Plus... How would changing presidents in the middle of the war effect the war? It could possibly ruin what progress we have made.

As for News programs... =/. Although Michael Moore has made some outragous comments... Bowling for Columbine... is amazing. FOX, no matter how ignorant some guests are, is the only conservative news station in a country filled with ignorant voters who make a decision based on what MSNBC has to say.

In a world where Hollywood makes political speeches, Clinton is getting his dick sucked, and people are getting decapitated by terrorists... Arent you glad you live in the US? haha.

White

If sitting on the toilet and reading is multitasking... then why does windows have such a hard time?

In a world where Hollywood makes political speeches, Clinton is getting his dick sucked, and people are getting decapitated by terrorists... Arent you glad you live in the US?

In a world where a raging alcoholic C-student professional failure can be elected president, sit idly by as 3,000+ Americans are slaughtered in an instant, then go into two wars that have killed 5,000+ innocent Afghani, Kurdish, and Iraqi people, as well as 1,000+ American soldiers, then even dare to run for reelection, aren't you glad to live in the US?

I'll believe in anything if you'll just believe in anything

but I believe the international "bush bashing" is not due primarily to 'better' new sources, but his internationally abrasive policies...

That too, but what really led me to believe it's a media problem is a poll I've heard of recently. Unfortunately I can't recall the URL (I know I should have written it down), but IIRC it states this --
58% of all Americans still believe that WMDs were found in Iraq,
36% of all Americans still believe that Iraq was tied to Al Quaeda.

100% of all non-Americans I know (including me) say the above claims are bullshit.

All the non-US media I read/watch/listen to have made it clear for several times that there are neither WMDs nor terrorist ties. So either the people above are incredibly stupid, extraordinarily good at denying the truth, or... well... just extremely misinformed. And that's exactly the point where US media come into play.

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

This post was edited by null on Sep 24, 2004.

Go to Yale... Make an A then you have some ground to comment on his college lifestyle. Who doesnt drink? =/. Sit around? The attacks were unforseen. In a war the loss of life is enevitable... Dont give me that bullshit :P.

White

If sitting on the toilet and reading is multitasking... then why does windows have such a hard time?

Go to Yale... Make an A then you have some ground to comment on his college lifestyle. Who doesnt drink? =/. Sit around? The attacks were unforseen. In a war the loss of life is enevitable... Dont give me that bullshit

I can't help wondering if he got into Yale more because of *gasp!* money than anything else. As for the grade itself, it's not my ability to get an A that we're talking about, it's the fact that the Republican Party willingly put forward a second- or third-tier (intelligence-wise) candidate when there are plenty of people in the party who are quick-witted, decisive, and capable of reasonable responses to difficult media questions. "Who doesn't drink?" Bush was and more than likely still is an alcoholic; I've heard a number of things that I can't necessarily confirm about his drinking habits, and I've heard him on the news claim that he kicked drinking because of his faith, but it doesn't work that way when you're a through-and-through alcoholic. You don't just up and stop being that way. And of course the loss of life isn't inevitable in war; that's what makes it war. At the same time, THOSE MOTHERFUCKING WARS WERE AVOIDABLE, ESPECIALLY IRAQ. Can you honestly sit there, comforted in the knowledge that "people die in war" while thousands of innocent fucking humans have died?

How many mothers have been killed who did nothing to harm us? How many fathers? Brothers? Wives? CHILDREN? How many more innocents can no longer walk, or see, or hear, or work, because we decided it's our right to rain down death and dismay on the lives of other people? What fucking solace do you HONESTLY find in the quip "death is inevitable in war?!" Have you ever heard of Johnny Got His Gun? Dalton Trumbo. Brilliant man. If you haven't yet, go out, buy it or get it at a library or something, read that book, and tell me how well you can sleep at night by telling yourself people die in war, while ignoring the fact that the war itself wasn't necessary. Why don't you do a quick google search for "Iraq" and "casualties." I guaran-goddamn-tee you that there will be things on there that will make you sick. I've seen the pictures of old women weeping on the rubble that destroyed the lives of their families. I've seen the images of 4-year olds on operating tables, desperately clutching to life as the doctors scramble to save their arms, their legs, their sight, their very lives as the wounds, wrought by the belligerence of a small faction of people, empty them of their strength. If the loss of life (oh how neutral a phrase; let's not mince words, we are murdering the innocent en masse) is inevitable in war, that's all the more reason we should not stumble so self-righteously and joyously into the destruction of other living things for bullshit causes that, in time, will no doubt be forgotten. You know what will be remembered? The tears of that grandmother, weeping for her lost children and grandchildren. The last glint of light flashing from the eyes of a young girl as her body gives up. The indescribable, inmeasurable amounts of agony, of torment, we have brought people who did nothing to us or our country.

American civilians and troops killed in Afghanistan: 143
American civilians and troops killed in Iraq: 1,070
Estimated number of Iraqis (civilians)killed in Bush's war: 12,000-14,000
Estimated number of Afghanis (civilians) killed in Bush's war:3,400+

That's between 17,000 and 20,000 deaths. And that's not even touching on the wounded, who are by no means even accountable, for their sheer numbers and the fact that many of the wounded don't have hospitals to report to, and many more are afraid to go.

I'll believe in anything if you'll just believe in anything

Gonna Cry? People die everyday... What makes this any diff? Wow they are dying because of other people... People kill people... people make decisions that kill people... Its how society has always worked... It wont stop... So why rebel against it?

My dads an alcoholic... But he can keep his fucking mouth tied. And keep his wits up and seemingly enough makes 150k a year.

Theres a limit even alcoholics have it. Its the point where you just cant continue being the way you are.

White

If sitting on the toilet and reading is multitasking... then why does windows have such a hard time?

Gonna Cry? People die everyday... What makes this any diff? Wow they are dying because of other people... People kill people... people make decisions that kill people... Its how society has always worked... It wont stop... So why rebel against it?

I'm sorry, but with more respect than is due, words can't describe how fucking stupid that sounds. I literally read that statement out loud, to see if maybe I had misread it and you meant to say something different.

Wow.

You're talking about real human beings like that. You're making me hurt on the inside. Bad.

I'll believe in anything if you'll just believe in anything

This post was edited by Magnifico on Sep 27, 2004.

I love you democrats...You have nothing good to say about your own candidate, so you cover it up by bashing the hell out of the only guy with the balls to stick his foot up Al Queda's ass and do something about the impending doom that is approaching us.

The true problem with the democratic party is that it is split straight down the center, literally and figuratively. You have the crazy, anti-war bashers on the left, and you have the pro-war bashers on the right, right side of the democratic party that is.

And you have a Candidate, who is such an idiot, who is put in such a bad position, by himself mostly, but also by the stupid, whiney, power-hungry little old men who don't give a damn if a terrorist nukes half a million people, as long as they are in power.

Want some insight? Want to know a more plausable reason for invading Iraq rather than for WMD's, not a great excuse, or for OIL, the stupidest excuse ever, Saudi Arabia has like 150% more oil than Iraq ever will...

Check this, found this little jewel in my email...

The Third Jihad

Take it as you will, assume that it is all crap, whatever.

Just atleast think about the "whole Picture" before you go and do what may end up in the end being a "rash" decision.

Cause this whole election is a fork in the road to decide the future of America, and possibly the fate of the free world.

My Opinion: Keep Bush in office:

- He's strong on terrorism.
- He's solid in his resolve.
- He doesn't give a damn about what other countries think. (*cough* France *cough* Russia *cough*)
- And he is religious and has faith.

I, personally, am not a religious person, but I'd rather trust a man who believes in something rather than a man who has lived his entire life doing everything half-assed and hopping from one "rich-bitch" to the next. (John Kerry is such a tool)

eat me.

To each his own...

- He's strong on terrorism.

Virtually all (sic) independent studies, commissions and experts in the world agree that Bush's actions have increased terrorism. Al Quaeda has never had more volunteers than since Bush took office. Almost the whole Arab world would like to see you dead (even in most countries which officially support you a vast majority of the citizens are anti-war). If that is Bush's idea of striving for global safety, well, then goodnight!

- He's solid in his resolve.

He can't admit he's at fault and rather finds new excuses for his actions. That's not exactly a proof of strength of character.
A true believer will never admit it when he's wrong. When facts threaten to refute the teachings of his religion, he just denies the facts and prays harder.

- He doesn't give a damn about what other countries think.

Yeah, and that's why the whole world hates your country for what its government is doing (sic). Great starting position to obtain safety, don't you think?

- And he is religious and has faith.

Yeah, he believes God speaks to him. Quite an attitude for a political leader.
Wasn't there something about separation of state and church?


Remember when you went to elementary school? One of your classmates was probably bigger and stronger than the others, and used this advantage to bully the rest of the class. You know what kind of guy I'm talking about? Nobody attacks him and few dare to speak up to him, but nobody really likes him, some outright hate him (especially those he beat up for some reason), and nobody would be sad if he got his ass kicked one day.

That's how most people outside the USA think about your country. The USA are the school bully in the classroom which is this planet.

If you like it this way, vote Bush. If you don't, vote Kerry. It's not about Republicans vs. Democrats, it's not about voting for the man with the cleanest slate (all candidates have a bunch of skeletons in their closets). It's about the future of your country. It's your choice, and it's not about picking the best possible candidate but the lesser of two evils.

This goes to all voters in the US. The next elections will not only decide who's your next president, but also tell the world whether you're happy with your current president's politics.
In many ways, from many people your country still gets the benefit of the doubt (aka "maybe they wouldn't have voted for Bush if they knew what an arrogant asshole he is"). Don't underestimate that benefit of the doubt, for all I know a lot of goodwill depends on it. With the next elections, that doubt will be removed. Either Kerry is elected, which preserves (and quite likely increases) that goodwill, or you show the world that you're happy with Bush and lose most of that goodwill.

I'm sure there are enough idiots who think Bush is a moron but vote for him anyway just because they're die-hard Republicans, and (unfortunately) I'm sure a whole lot of people vote for Bush because they think he knows what he's doing. However you vote, it's your choice. But do us and your own country a favor and consider the points I've just mentioned. It's your country which has to face the consequences of your vote, after all - from terrorists, Iraqi freedom fighters and the rest of the world all alike. And speaking of terrorists, it's also up to you voters whether your country gains enough of its credibility back for other countries to support your anti-terror efforts.
To (very loosely) quote Adam Yauch once more, if you truly want global safety, it's better to make friends than bully the rest of the world.

But it's of course your country, your election and thus your decision.

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.