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Hey null, I'd hate to burst your nice little bubble about US foreign policy or anything, but the world hated us long before we took a stand on terrorism.

Think about it...

It's not a bully status we represent, atleast that's how the liberals want you to look at it as, it is more of the status of the father figure, or the "Alpha" male.

"Father" - Ironic enough, America has become the world policing agent of the entire world ever since WWII. If some little jerk of a tyrant invades another country, guess who has to go in and clean it up. Other countries may not like it, cause it undermines their policies and shows them to be the weaker, but they ask of it anyway because they know we have the testicular fortitude to get the job done.

"Alpha" - Back to the basic way of life, before we all started playing X Box and bitching to each other about the stupid things in life. Back in the primitive days, human beings were a tribal people. And each tribe had one leader, the "Alpha" Male. Every one did as the Alpha male did, but the other males were always waiting for their chance to take his throne. This structure of society is evident in just about every communical species (wolves, lions, humans, cats, etc...). And, it is evident in the structure of much of are society still today. Just look at the presidency, Leader of the free world, total power.....hundreds of power hungry males waiting to topple his throne at all costs, even the cost of the very nation they want to control, cause it doesn't matter to some what is left to control after all the harm has been done, as long as they have something to control(*cough* democrats *cough*). And finally, this structure is evident in the world governing system itself. As much as we like to deny it, or boast it, we, the US, are the "Alpha Male" of the world. We have the strongest economy, we have the most influential and desired culture, and we have the greatest governing system yet. And every little country that is jealous of us; and their are alot of jealous nations, for good reason too, they would love to take just a little chunk out of us, take us down a leg, or even destroy are whole culture and take it as their own.

Personally, i dont know, cause I've lived in the US my whole life, but if i had to guess, I'd say it would definitely suck to live in another country, always under the shadow of the US; the world power, the cultural leader, the greatest nation in all of existence of nations in the history of mankind.

So who would Osama vote for?

DUH, if Osama could vote, i know he'd rather just kill us all than do something as untyrannical, peaceful, and non regimest as practicing the democratic process, but for the sake of speculation.....Osama would vote for Kerry, definitely.

Think about it. Would he vote for the guy who invaded his stronghold (Afganistan), the guy who has put him on the run and in hiding along the Pakistan border, the guy who who has made it his resolve to take the fight out of the US and into other countries for the sake of the lives of American civilians, the guy who is putting a democratic satellite in the dead center of the Middle East to thwart the oncoming radical movement (Iraq), the one guy who convinced Lybia to give up it's nuclear ambitions by the shear demonstration of force?

Or would Osama vote for a Blowhearted, flip-floppin, unsure, unconfident, foolish, rich-bitch wife-hopping, Kennedy wannabe? Who, went to Vietnam for 4 months (8 months shy of a full service), came home and jumped on the hippie wagon and protested the war (which hurt the resolve of all the POW's who were being tortured for Kerry's own words), who still didn't throw away his medals like he said he would out of protest (guess he wasn't that committed, as usual), who has had the crappiest record in the senate to date (he voted against the B2 bomber and other military hardware at the height of the Cold War), and who has flipped flopped so many times on his position of Iraq that it makes some sick and confused where this idiot stands, even if he stands for anything at all (he voted for the war when it was popular, he voted against the war when that was popular). Isn't it obvious how John Kerry operates? He is a follower, he looks at the majority of positions in a room, and takes the position of the strongest one. He has no resolve. He just follows what is the "coolest" thing to do. oh yeah, he plans to get russia and france to help out in Iraq. YEAH RIGHT. Have you ever seen france in a war? Might as well tell them to leave their guns, so they can surrender alot faster. Russia? Russia doesnt want to admit they are wrong on the issue of terrorism, hence the clouding of the media when that little terrorist incident occured in that school. Also the misrepresentation of the amount of poeple in that school when the terrorist took it over (they said about 400, when there was more like 1000). Shows their honesty and resolve.

So who would Osama vote for? The idiot, no-stance blowheart, Kennedy wannabe? Or, the resolute, defined, "cowboy"?

It's so freakin' obvious, he'd vote for the Flip-flopper. While John Kerry is wind surfing on Lagoona Beach, thinking happy thoughts about hugging trees and kissing babies, Osama can sneak in the back door and shove a nuke up his ass.

Why do people hate the cowboys?

In the old westerns, cowboys were always good, they always saved the innocent, and rode off into the sunset. They may have done the job a way some may think was extreme, or unpleasant. But hell, THEY GOT THE JOB DONE.

I like Cowboys better than flip flops.

To each his own...

Sorry, I'm not trying to bash you directly, but I find it highly fascinating how effectively Bush supporters pick only those facts that support their claims.

Hello, good morning, wake-up call: Iraq was not a threat to you!

Fact* #1 - Iraq statistics:
Nukes found: 0
WMDs found: 0
Plans to attack the USA found: 0
Ties to Al Qaeda found: 0
Terrorist camps found: 0
Credibility of the USA in the world: 0

Fact* #2 - Global trends in terrorism:
Global terrorism has INCREASED since Bush took office.
Terrorist groups are reported to recruit hundreds, if not thousands, of Iraqis who have lost everything in the war.
The Iraq war did not HARM terrorist organisations, it HELPED them!

Fact* #3 - Attitude towards the USA:
Due to your government's incredible arrogance and complete lack of credibility, no country besides a few 'allies' following their own agendas is willing to support your "war on terrorism". You're more or less on your own. But hey, another tax cut for the rich will boost the economy and the money to support the war will roll in, right? And if it doesn't, well, who needs medicare or social security.

( * These are labelled "Fact" for a reason.)

You say you like people who get their job done. Well, if the job consists of completely destroying your country's reputation in the world, creating an incredible deficit and attacking harmless countries regardless of civil casualties while being unable to catch the real villains... well, THEN Bush is doing a great job. Mission fucking accomplished.

Let's be honest. What did he achieve, terrorist-wise? Global terrorism has increased since he declared his war on terror, the Iraq war was a complete flop, and Osama is still at large. But maybe they'll catch him a few days before the election, who knows?

As for Osama, I tend to say he'd vote for Bush. Why?

Osama wants to isolate the USA from the rest of the world. Bush has achieved this.
He's still at large. Bush's people are obviously unable to find him, and it doesn't seem to be a top priority either.
Iraq is a new breeding ground for terrorists, and they all hate the USA. Kerry might improve the situation in Iraq (i.e. do some of the long-promised reconstruction work).
The US economy is on its last legs. Bush turned a record surplus into an incredible deficit, and things are guaranteed to get worse.

Mission Accomplished. Osama has every reason to be happy with Bush.

Hey null, I'd hate to burst your nice little bubble about US foreign policy or anything, but the world hated us long before we took a stand on terrorism.

Some extremists maybe. But they're not the whole world, and they hate us European infidels as well. The rest of the world didn't hate you. Granted, there's that prejudice everywhere that Americans are ignorant simpletons, but people were aware that this is a prejudice, and it's nothing compared to the anti-Americanism you experience nowadays. Trust me on this one.

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

Ive heard it from many sides, even from my own country side (*cough* Michael Moore *cough*) the resentment of the American nation. It's not extremists, it's the whole lot.

It's the resentment that a country just over 200 years old, self proclaimed, self made, and self reliant has risen up to be the leader of the free world. 200 years! That's insane by historical standards for a society to rise that fast and be that successful.

So don't tell me it's just extremists and a few anti-american bashers out there. And that this anti-americanism is something recent and new. It's been going on since the beginning of this nation. Everyone resents us, and sad as it may be, alot of our own American democrats hate the proud America that stands today.

They'd prefer America to stand down as the leader and be an equal among the rest of the sovereign nations of the world. But that is just foolish and idealogical at best. It just won't happen. It's not our economy, it's not our land, it's not are population that makes us what we are...it's are attitude that makes us American.

Arrogance if you may. The "go to, I can do what ever I want, cause I have the will to do it" attitude. And the rest of the world resents it.

And they resent Bush because he embodies the American, "can do", cowboy attitude.

attacking harmless countries regardless of civil casualties

whoa...are you saying Iraq was a harmless little country?

Wow man, where the hell have you been for the last 12 years. Kuwait, gassing his own people, public executions, hanging bodies from the street lights as a sign of deterence, tyrannical rule, hiding in palaces behind children, mass graves in the desert, "oil for food" UN scandal, etc., etc.

If you think Saddam was a peaceful little dictator, them damn dude, i guess there is no point debating this election with you, you're already gone......wow.

---------Predictions-----------

Kerry Elected:

He raises taxes, the economy tanks, confidence in the US drops to nothing, allied support disappears, Iraq falls apart, American hatred explodes, terrorist attacks in the US larger and more horrorific than 9/11 (and he blames it on Bush)

Bush Elected:

Economy rises, Osama is Captured, Iraq prospers and governs itself as a democratic state, resentment of the US continues, but who cares, that's how it always has been.

Oh yeah, I can't believe you still believe the whole Iraq WMD crap, grow up man, it's nothing. I'll say this one more time.

The Reason America Invaded Iraq was:

NOT FOR WMD's, IT WAS TO PUT A DEMOCRATIC SATELLITE IN THE CENTER OF THE MIDDLE EAST TO HALT ISLAMIC RADICALISM.

....where it will be graciously needed for the future events about to unfold, to decide the fate of the free world.

damn, i just wish people would get over the petty and stupid little crap, and step back and take a good look at the WHOLE PICTURE.

"Your best defense is a good offense..." - unknown.

I'd rather have a president who is proactive and puts the battle on the enemies doorsteps, rather than a president who is reactive and waits for the enemy to come to the US.

Ironic enough, I almost want John Kerry to be president, so when he screws everything up, I can go up to a democrat and say "HAH...I TOLD YOU SO!"

But that "zing" is not worth the future of America. People need learn a lesson from history.

O well, one can hope.

To each his own...

Arrogant

\Ar"ro*gant\. Making, or having the disposition to make, exorbitant claims of rank or estimation; giving one's self an undue degree of importance; assuming; haughty; -- applied to persons.

But you've already provided a definition with your posts.

The ideas you are presenting are an intellectual disease with which America is infected.

The Third Jihad

I read it. Frankly, even if it was true it fails to help your argument in any way.

Firstly, Islamic terrorists claiming to be fighting the Third Jihad is like penny sized militant groups in in the U.S. or elsewhere claiming to be fighting WWIII. They may know grade 3 history, but any objective view dismisses them as overblown nutcases.

Secondly, his three step plan which he believes the Muslims are excercising (yeah right) does not include an attack on American soil, it simply calls for an American withdrawl from middle eastern territory which it invaded. So why does the U.S. care so badly?

I know what your answer will be: 9/11. But 9/11 is completely contrary to the supposed master plan for the Third Jihad. If Islam wants to start by taking over the middle east, why would they get America involved. And don't tell me it's because "they didn't see it coming". It's because they were a bunch of feather-brained hate-bred extremists who took advantage of Bush's removal of the early warning systems for a terrorist attack that Clinton had instituted. It was tragic. But in regards to a big picture plan, it had no lasting point. If you approve of killing so much, maybe you guys should quit bitching about it.

Back in the primitive days, human beings were a tribal people. And each tribe had one leader, the "Alpha" Male. Every one did as the Alpha male did, but the other males were always waiting for their chance to take his throne

That's myth. Tribes were non-hierarchal. Don't talk about tribal systems when you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

it is more of the status of the father figure, or the "Alpha" male

*laughing*

Personally, i dont know, cause I've lived in the US my whole life, but if i had to guess, I'd say it would definitely suck to live in another country, always under the shadow of the US; the world power, the cultural leader, the greatest nation in all of existence of nations in the history of mankind.

On the contrary, I've never been more glad not to be an American. If I was American, I'd be constantly having to apologise for the insane stupidity of my leader. Not that our PM is too great either, but at least he doesn't go around shoving other peoples face in it.

DEMOCRATIC SATELLITE IN THE CENTER OF THE MIDDLE EAST TO HALT ISLAMIC RADICALISM

You're right, that'll work. Their right to vote will make up for the fact that that their family is dead.

Unless you really meant AMERICAN COLONY IN THE CENTER OF THE MIDDLE EAST TO SHOW THOSE LITTLE BROWN SHIITES WHO THEY SHOULD RESUME BOWING DOWN AND KISSING THE ASSES OF. That seems to reflect your attitude a little better.

---------Predictions-----------

Swap the Bush predictions with Kerry's and you're a little less wrong.

I can't believe you still believe the whole Iraq WMD crap, grow up man, it's nothing

You're calling Bush a liar? That's surprising.

If you think Saddam was a peaceful little dictator, them damn dude, i guess there is no point debating this election with you, you're already gone......wow

It's not like anyone will ever be able to make YOU see anything other than your own twisted delusions. Insulting null in this way is a gross double-standard, and highly unwarranted.

Especially since what he said was that Iraq posed no serious threat to the U.S., making the invasion unjustified, and since the invasion is just making things worse, it's true no matter how you look at it.

It's the resentment that a country just over 200 years old, self proclaimed, self made, and self reliant has risen up to be the leader of the free world. 200 years! That's insane by historical standards for a society to rise that fast and be that successful.

The bigger they come, the harder they fall. What I find insane is that America has become the modern version of the very imperialistic state that it originally opposed.

And you speak of learning from history.

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NOTE: Blue Ghost, I can't say I know you as a person. I don't know what music you like, what clothes you wear. I don't know if you're a nice guy, if you're friendly or witty or have a good sense of humor. I can't pretend to judge you as a person. As a result, please take this post for what it is: not an attack on you personally, but rather a heated reaction to the ideas you presented here, which I find backward.

"History is more or less bunk." - Henry Ford

Ok Bunk, time to lay into you...

at's myth. Tribes were non-hierarchal. Don't talk about tribal systems when you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

no leader, huh? ok Bunk, whatever. Go study some ancient pre-history and look at communical animals today and tell me they are just leaderless bands that happen to roam together with no direction or purpose.

it is more of the status of the father figure, or the "Alpha" male

*laughing*

Denial and resentment; Where ever you live man, even if it's not in the US, go walk a couple blocks down the street and im sure you will find some nice "Golden Arches". McDonalds, classic case of American influence. Then tell me you don't resent our culture.

Unless you really meant AMERICAN COLONY IN THE CENTER OF THE MIDDLE EAST TO SHOW THOSE LITTLE BROWN SHIITES WHO THEY SHOULD RESUME BOWING DOWN AND KISSING THE ASSES OF. That seems to reflect your attitude a little better.

wow, you just can't think five minutes in front of your face can you...

It's always the stupid excuse that we just want to claim more land and oil for ourselves. no one looks into the long effects of a democratic state in the center of a regimest, tyrannical region.

I can't believe you still believe the whole Iraq WMD crap, grow up man, it's nothing

You're calling Bush a liar? That's surprising.

yeah, i am. if you haven't noticed by now, ALL POLITICIANS ARE LIARS! It's the lesser of evil we choose.

Especially since what he said was that Iraq posed no serious threat to the U.S., making the invasion unjustified, and since the invasion is just making things worse, it's true no matter how you look at it.

No shit sherlock, Iraq wasn't an immediate threat, i'm just protesting the fact that he referred to Iraq as an "innocent country".

As for the invasion, have you noticed that they always talk about the bad stuff that occurs in Iraq, and never mention the good things that occur; Free elections, free enterprise, freedom to walk the street without the fear of being an "example" to Saddams power, etc.

as for the 1000 troop casualties; better for 1000 troops to die over there keeping the terrorists and insurgents at bay, than 3000+ innocent civilians dying here in an instant. notice how they always say the American casualties and never mention the terrorist casualties, biased media?

Another thing, 1000 troops in a WAR? By the records of history, that is pretty damn good for an invasion. I mean, if you consider the fact that over 5000+ american service men lost their lives on one beach in Normandy in the invasion of Europe in WWII.

5000+ in one day vs. 1000 in 1 1/2 years.

The bigger they come, the harder they fall. What I find insane is that America has become the modern version of the very imperialistic state that it originally opposed.

wow, man, you summed up all your jealousy, resentment, and hatred right there in that one comment. thanks for proving my point. i appreciate it :-)

America; land of the free, home of the brave....

To each his own...

This post was edited by The_Blue_Ghost on Sep 28, 2004.

no leader, huh? ok Bunk, whatever. Go study some ancient pre-history and look at communical animals today and tell me they are just leaderless bands that happen to roam together with no direction or purpose

Your statement was to the effect that people in tribes were resentful of their Alpha Male. That's not the case. In a tribal system, the leader is simply an equal of everyone else performing one of many important duties: leading the tribe. He or she is simply the best leader in the tribe, and as a result is not always under attack. Others in the tribe would probably not want the challenging job of leading, since the leader does not recieve any dominating excess of the wealth. This is the original tribal model.

In a heirachy, the leader is not necessarily the person with the best leadership skills, the leader is simply the person who has all the wealth (or controls the food supply). In a heirarchy like we have, the leaders recieve the majority of the wealth while often being no better qualified than the rest of us. That's what builds the resentment.

I did not say that they had no leader, I said they were non-hierarchial. Until recently, I was among the billions who didn't see a difference. For more info on tribal systems, I recommend Daniel Quinn's Beyond Civilization.

Free elections, free enterprise, freedom to walk the street without the fear of being an "example" to Saddams power, etc.

None of these are permanent. All you have done is shake up the dust and sent a country into an anarchy that only an Iraqi dictator will pull it out of.

And really, do you expect them to be grateful? Thankful that you 'saved' them? The resentment that was there before your invasion is only made stronger, as long as you presume to go in and forcibly impose what you consider best for them.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for freedom and to a certain extent Democracy, but there are not a lot of great historical examples of a superpower nation trying to change another nation by force. They can only realise democracy when the people are ready to build it for themselves.

wow, man, you summed up all your jealousy, resentment, and hatred right there in that one comment. thanks for proving my point. i appreciate it

Hmm... well, I didn't expect that. I thought you might take exception to the fact that I consider America to be simply another version of the dying imperialist state that was the British Empire 100 years ago, and the Roman Empire 1000 years ago.

You see, I don't automatically consider the U.S. to be the "best nation in the history of mankind" simply because it is the most powerful right now.

Beginning 200 years ago, the people who founded your country saw a great opportunity to create that great nation of which you speak. A nation of hard working equals, of free speach and Democracy. Maybe that existed at one point, but that died when you presumed to be more than a country. Now that you see yourself as an empire, others will view you this way as well, and thus your cycle of hate is created. Right now, it is capitalism and a distracted middle class that are keeping America going. Not bravery or freedom.

You aren't even the most free nation in the world right now. I'd say Canada, Australia, Switzerland, Norway and France (one of the original modern democracies, the country you hate for no appearent reason) all equal or better your standing when it comes to social liberty.

As a Canadian, I am proud of my country just like you are proud of yours. We could argue endlessly about who's best, but really, does EVERYTHING have to be one big cock-fight with you? I know there are Americans who are far more reasonable when it comes to seeing America the way it really is.

Ok Bunk, time to lay into you...

heh heh... yeah.

I was most looking forward to hearing your thoughts about my reply to "The Third Jihad". Which I notice was one part you declined to reply to.

"History is more or less bunk." - Henry Ford

This post was edited by Bunk on Sep 28, 2004.

(*cough* Michael Moore *cough*)

Moore has his own proiblems. Don't believe everything he says. And this advice comes from a goddamn leftist tree-hugging singing hippie liberalist.

The "go to, I can do what ever I want, cause I have the will to do it" attitude. And the rest of the world resents it.

It's the resentment that a country just over 200 years old, self proclaimed, self made, and self reliant has risen up to be the leader of the free world.

You see, that's your problem. You actually believe this to be true, don't you?
Right, excuse me for a minute, I have to go to the bathroom and laugh my ass off.
"We're the leader of the free world." Oh man, the fact alone that I still find people who believe in this is hilarious. Wake up man. Ask anybody outside the USA how they feel about it. Better yet, go to Iraq, show them your US passport and tell them you're here to liberate them.
Exactly what freedom are you talking about? Patriot Act? Your country doesn't exactly have the best record in preserving freedom and democracy. Want to guess which country in the world has installed the most dictatorships by military force?

Oh... wait... you said "self proclaimed". Sorry. That changes everything. What a great idea indeed!
I herewith proclaim myself to be the new leader of the free world.
Hey, why is everybody laughing at me? Ah, it must be jealousy because I'm a leader and they're not. Makes sense!

And they resent Bush because he embodies the American, "can do", cowboy attitude.

No, we just think he's a retarded, alcoholic, dyslexic and self-aggrandising asshole in general.

--------Predictions-----------

Kerry Elected:

He raises taxes, the economy tanks, confidence in the US drops to nothing [...] (and he blames it on Bush)

Bush Elected:

Economy rises, Osama is Captured, Iraq prospers and governs itself as a democratic state, resentment of the US continues, but who cares, that's how it always has been.

Hmmm.

(and he blames it on Bush)

Why shouldn't he? Doesn't Bush blame everything bad on Clinton as well?
"Clinton's terrorist warning system failed on 9/11! (After I cancelled it)"
(Just a sidenote)

But as I said before,

A true believer will never admit it when he's wrong. When facts threaten to refute the teachings of his religion, he just denies the facts and prays harder.

You deliver an excellent example for this theory.

Facts (again):

When Bush senior took office, he was handed a so-so economy. He deregulated and introduced tax cuts similar to the current ones. Republican analysts predicted that this would give the economy a considerable boost. When Bush senior left office, and Clinton moved into the White House, he was handed a recession and a record deficit.
Clinton then raised taxes for the rich and reversed most of the changes Bush senior made. Republican analysts went crazy on how this would kill the economy and Clinton is doing everything wrong.
Clinton left office with a strong economy and a record surplus.
Bush junior re-introduced the tax cuts and basically did away with any environmental protection or big-corporation-unfriendly regulations. Republican analysts predicted that this would help the economy a great deal.
Two years later... well, I won't describe the state of your economy, it may be too painful for some Americans to read.

I know, you're probably gonna blame the recession on 9/11 and terrorists. To that I have to say, the economy was on its way down even before 9/11.

And what do we learn from this? Right, nothing, because Bush can't possibly be wrong and Clinton is a goddamn democrat so all he did must be despised.
The first tax cuts didn't work, so we need more tax cuts.

Isn't that exactly it, they close their eyes and pray a little harder.

Besides, what makes you so sure Bush will capture Osama and Kerry won't? Osama is still at large more than three years after Bush promised to catch him, and prior to the Iraq war Bush has even publicly stated that finding Osama is "not our top priority" anymore.

Oh yeah, I can't believe you still believe the whole Iraq WMD crap, grow up man, it's nothing. I'll say this one more time.

One more time? When did you say this before? Not where I could hear/read it, I reckon.

NOT FOR WMD's, IT WAS TO PUT A DEMOCRATIC SATELLITE IN THE CENTER OF THE MIDDLE EAST TO HALT ISLAMIC RADICALISM.

Two possibilities.
One, you're right. That means two things, namely a) you imply that the Bush government are a bunch of professional liars, and b) they've failed miserably, as Iraq is further away from peace or stability than ever since Gulf War I.
Second, you're wrong. In that case no further comment is necessary.

Oh, and there's that bet.

whoa...are you saying Iraq was a harmless little country?

Harmless in the sense that they were no threat to you, or any of your allies. Saddam confined himself to killing some of his own people ever since Gulf War I. And speaking of religious fanatism, Iraq wasn't too terribly active.

gassing his own people

With gas given to him by the USA, and (according do mclaincausey) they even gave him the satellite coordinates where he should spread it.
Now whaddya say.

"oil for food" UN scandal

You forgot to mention another thing, the "Rumsfeld and his buddies illegally sold him weapons and stuff for some $110 million" scandal.

Ironic enough, I almost want John Kerry to be president, so when he screws everything up, I can go up to a democrat and say "HAH...I TOLD YOU SO!"

Funny, I feel the same about Bush. So far he's doing a good job of ruining the country.

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

I absolutly agree.

The choice is hard.

I think the question should have been "who do you think will ruin the country faster?"

Maybe we sould elect someone who is homeless to be president.
At least there would be someone in office who has a clue to what a huge chunk of the american population goes through every day.

Or how about a recovering victim of sexual abuse? Sex offenders would be in short supply as they would face the death penalty.

Or how about one of the millions of individuals who have lost their jobs due to down sizing by companies subsidized by the american goverment?

Or how about someone with little or no money? That would be a good choice.

I say limit the political advertising to statements on the public broadcasting system, one each. Make everything about each's canidates politicial activities and the groups to which they are an acitve member of the subject of the front of every newspaper, and make them accountable.
I know that sounds like the witch hunts for communists of the 1950's and Mcarthyism, but in actuality making the people who want the office of president completely accountable and looking at the track record, and making a decision based on that would make more sense than listening to t.v. adds and edited news broadcasts.

I agree with you Null, I do watch the bbc, when ever I can, and the world views what we do from a very different place.

Did you know after 911 the only plane seen in the skies over america was the osma family plane leaving Texas?
Matter of public record here.

I've made my decision....I'm voting for Null for president. Just promise me that when you get into office you won't be swayed by any big corporations or by any lobbiests, ok?