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Bush has his head together Kerry cant make up his mind... Its obvious which road is the best choice.

Yeah. Hooray for the Cocaine President!

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

Do you reallly think Bush is that dumb? Don't you get it?

NOT EVERYONE ARE AS THEY SEEM.

And that's a life lesson;

- All politicians are liars and twofaced. (Rep. and Dem.)
- All religions are "man-made", ergo, flawed.(merely matters of perseption of the same basic "message")
- History repeats itself, hence, the downfall of America is inevitable (I will admit that).
- Nothing stays in a permanent state, just in permanent existence. (A change will come, hopefully not at the hands of a flip-floppin' blowheart)

- Bush may put on his "country bumpkin" persona, but do you really think that is how he is behind the camera? Do you really think that his advisors would say,

"hell, let's just go invade Iraq for no apparent reason and say it was for WMD's."

if that is true, them I am wrong and my country really is being run by a bunch of idiots with the affinity and urge just to blow shit up. But if im right on my speculation, which sounds more plausible, then the true reason behind the invasion is more sound than anyone can argue. Yes, it's not politically correct to try and "Halt the spread of Islam." But since the Islamic society won't lift a finger to change the minds of these radicals and terrorists, it seems that the only option is what usually causes the best results....

DIRECT ACTION. Nothing like a show of force to get someones attention.(Just look at Lybia, they wised up pretty quick)

So if you believe every little thing you see on TV or read in the New York Times, you really are gonna be treated like a mushroom (kept in the dark and fed on shit). I suggest taking a step back, get all the sides of the matter, look to the past for a correlation, and then make your own assumption.

Cause what someone tells you is not the truth, no matter how you cut it, it is not the total, whole, unbiased, unaltered, direct truth. The only way to find the whole truth of anything is to experience it for yourself. Since that is an impossibility in matters like this, i suggest you take the lesser of two evils.

- And do you think John Kerry is really a caring, concerned, "fight for the little man", understanding democrat? Just look at the guys record; He switches his ideas so fast you can't tell what he is for or against. And his concern for the poverish? The guy has been rich-bitch wife hopping since he got out of the service (which was only 4 months). The guy, spent like an ungodly amount of money to have a ski lodge built. He took pieces of an old barn in Europe somewhere, shipped them over seas to the US ,and had them reconstructed into a personal ski lodge. He has like four different estates, a billionaire, fowl mouthed ugly wife, and yet he manages to pay less taxes than George Bush, who only has a ranch in Crawford, Texas. Now that sounds fishy. In the simplest of terms, Kerry is just SUPERFICIAL.

IMAGE. You can see it, but it doesn't really exist, it's not something tangible.

As for arguing over who has more patriotism and national pride, that would be futile at best.

I'm not angry with you crazy liberals, I actually enjoy arguing with you very much, it's interesting to see the same issues from a different perspective.

Keep it coming.

To each his own...

This entire thread is getting really nasty, to the point where it's almost painful to read. (And yes, I know I don't have to read it, but I have been because I'm a nerd for politics, and it's always interesting to see what people have to say.)

The_Blue_Ghost, this is just a piece of advice, and you can take it or leave it as you choose in the spirit of all the democracy and freedom you're waving around like an axe.

If you want people to respect your opinions, you need to at least PRETEND you're willing to respect theirs.

Saying things like:

I'm not angry with you crazy liberals, I actually enjoy arguing with you very much, it's interesting to see the same issues from a different perspective.

will not endear you to anyone, liberals or otherwise, American or not. I'm an American liberal, and you've pissed me off. Riiiiight. We're all "crazy" just because we don't agree with you and your Bush propaganda.

I'm not just writing this to pick on you, though. A few general requests:

Could the country-bashing go away? I love my country, and it infuriates me to read: "Gee, I sure hope that whatever happens, those assholes in the U.S. get spanked so the rest of us can laugh at their sorry demise." First of all, I don't like the implication that I'm an American asshole, and if you think that poorly of me and mine then I'd prefer that you tell me to go away now before I waste any more of my time writing posts here. But mostly it's just illogical. If any major nation that's a world player in politics and economics got flushed, it would affect the entire planet. Whether you're a proponent of globalization or not, I'd like to assume everyone here is at least intelligent enough to understand such a simple principle.

But on the same level, would all the Americans here who are acting like assholes STOP? Honestly. We're not the only nation on the planet, there are a whole bunch of other really great ones, and I think they're all pretty damn cool, or I wouldn't spend so very much of my personal time, for example, in Japan and Canada. (Besides, if you act like a loser all you do is prove their point: Americans are arrogant bastards who can't see past their own borders unless there's oil involved.)

A founding principle of "Americanness" is love of equality. We're not the fucking leaders of the free world, we OUGHT to be partners, EQUAL ones whose goal is to bring ALL countries together in democracy and freedom.

And don't try to tell me that that's what Bush is doing, because he is the most unilateral president we've ever seen.

I meant this to be two cents, but it turned into a fifty dollar soapbox. :(

Bush has his head together Kerry cant make up his mind... Its obvious which road is the best choice.

So it's good to be willing to kill tens of thousands of people, so long as you're decisive about it? Your idea of "good" is nothing short of fucked up.

I'll believe in anything if you'll just believe in anything

So it's good to be willing to kill tens of thousands of people, so long as you're decisive about it? Your idea of "good" is nothing short of fucked up.

So you would rather have a president that "cuts and runs" and leaves "tens of MILLIONS of people" to suffer at the hands of radical terrorists and regimists. Oh? You didn't hear, that's Kerry's plan (just about the only plan he's made).

Good luck with that on your conscience.

ps - sorry pendragon, i'll try not to be so much of an asshole. :-)

To each his own...

A look to the past:

Actually, I'd rather we have Gore as president so we wouldn't have so many people already dead with so many more with so much to fear, but because so many radical conservative vigilantes took the country's politics into their own hands and hijacked the damn election, it's too late.

A look to the future:

I don't want to leave Iraq before they can hold themselves up. I think that Kerry is willing to weight the options before he just ups and pulls out. I just don't trust George W. Bush to make the right decision about Iraq. I think it's a possibility that Kerry will do the right thing, especially if he makes Wesley Clark his Secretary of Defence, but Bush has revealed himself to be, shall I say, fucking heinous when it comes to international relations.

I'll believe in anything if you'll just believe in anything

Actually, I'd rather we have Gore as president so we wouldn't have so many people already dead with so many more with so much to fear, but because so many radical conservative vigilantes took the country's politics into their own hands and hijacked the damn election, it's too late.

Have you listened to the rant of AL Gore lately....

it's psychotic.

i rest my case.

To each his own...

Gore had his head too far up his ass to even remotly control our country.
OMG People are dying... =/ Wow nothing new. They signed up for the military... Join at your own risk.

And Innocent people die by the hands of saddam as well so how is this diff?
White

If sitting on the toilet and reading is multitasking... then why does windows have such a hard time?

Ok. I've read read them all, and first thing, I'm not an American, and from my point of view neather one is a good candidate. Democrats bombed my country(Serbia) and republicans bombed Afghanistan and Iraq! Please excuse this heates statement I going to make: Screw 'em both! The only thing why I almost liked Clinton is he wanted to make US citizens responsible before the internation court in Rome, but Bush refused to ratify it! Where the fuck is that liberty and justice for all? Oh, and nobody seen to have mentiond this FACT: of around 5000 casualties in 9/11 just over half are US citizens. others were forigners! so IT IS NOT ONLY US THAT FELT THAT TERRORIST ATTACK!Why don't you get an indipendent candidate and why don't everyone vote at onece insted state by state?
What hapened to live and let live?
And why do you think that what US is allways right?
What if you made a mistake?
I let your conscience judge you.

IMPORTANT:I do not intend to insult anyone, and I do agree on some other forums with blue ghost(Love and Lifesense for example), so please, everyone do not thake this personaly!

Vladimir, a truly happy person!

And Innocent people die by the hands of saddam as well so how is this diff?

The USA under Bush claim to be the good guys.

In addition:
Millions jobless, because their workplaces were either destroyed during war, or the US-appointed interim government refuses to re-open thousands of factories.
Millions homeless, because their houses were destroyed by the US Army.
Destroyed infrastructure, no signs of reconstruction yet (for more than one year).
Now, let's repeat this as it it a rather important point: No reconstruction work for more than a year. (Besides oil pipelines and some business hotels for foreign investors.)

When an oil pipeline breaks (sabotage or otherwise), it's fixed as quick as humanly possible.
Millions of Iraqi civilians still live without electricity and clean water, and when they want to take a good satisfactory shit they have to stoop over a hole behind the house (provided they still have one).

Reconstruction work is postponed for two main reasons -
* No foreign company in their right mind would send a large number of workers into Iraq right now, and
* the interim government rather tries to get US companies into Iraq than contracting local companies which could do the same work for a fraction of the price (and wouldn't be under permanent attack from the local inhabitants).

Example: The interim government imports countless 'anti-terror' cement blocks 'made in USA' for $1000 a piece. Meanwhile Iraq's biggest cement factories, which could produce&deliver those blocks for about $100 a piece (a tenth of the cost!) stay closed - and hundreds without work and pay - by order of the interim government because they say there is no work for them.

And some people wonder why the Iraqis doubt the occupants' noble motives.


To get back to the Bush/Kerry question, Bush has obviously failed miserably. The Iraqis hate you, the current political situation down there doesn't allow any company to make major investments, and when it comes to paying for everything the USA are more or less on their own after Bush so masterfully pissed off all of your former allies.
Simply put, Kerry couldn't possibly do worse than Bush.

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

This post was edited by null on Oct 01, 2004.