Reading Stoic_Slaughter's journal

Dec 22, 2004 03:03 # 30383

Stoic_Slaughter *** posts about...

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I hate the fact that most women don't appreciate themselves. They look in their mirrors and don't like what they see. Why would anyone do that? If I weighed 600 lbs and had no nose, I would still look in my mirror and say, "You are the most gorgeous thing to ever walk the planet." I'm beautiful. You're beautiful. Everything about life is beautiful. Wow... I'm a hippie. Anyway, I was talking to my right brained friend about how important math is. My right brained friend said, "I have music and art. I don't need math." I replied, "But there is so much math in music and art!" We had a discussion and we've agreed that math is great. It's odd of me to say that because I am exceptionally right brained myself, but once one sees that math is in everything it's easier to enjoy it. It's even in poetry. I love math.

I've realized that I really don't mind keeping my mouth shut. Most people don't have that ability. It appears to me that if I know something that you don't, I have power over you. Is that such a hard concept to grasp? I know few people (if any) who can keep a secret for longer than twenty minutes. I don't understand. I never feel the urge to tell someone else anything. I like keeping my secrets to myself. Then again, deep down I'm a cruel, heartless, vindictive person, and often times I can use my secrets to my advantage. Hm. Imagine that.

For my next trick, I shall make you all disappear.

Dec 22, 2004 14:55 # 30389

Mindslant ** replies...

The absence of Math

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I'm an ex-Comp. Sci/Chem Eng major. When I reached the age of Intellectual Reason I realized (with the help of theoretical physics) math is actually in 'not-much'. Math is only a ficticious system created by us in order to organize the world Aristotelian for us to understand. One coud say Math is everywhere the way one could say green is in everything. Everything either is green or has a particular relation to not being green. It's just a mind game. Take for example a hypothesis first proposed some 2 millenia ago. Consider the lillies in the field, or the birds. What concern have they for math, yet still they grow or not just grow...FLY!!!
In many grand instances math no longer relfects reality, they why we have imiganary numbers and most of it's still theoretical. Zero still has some contested points at the the actual absence existence of itself.
It is a beautiful system, but so is modern economics and the principles of how American government works, but in the end just a system that must be matched back to reality.

Dec 29, 2004 19:54 # 30600

CTPhoenix *** replies...

Don't condemn.

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Stoic, for what you had said, it must have been a lovely conversation, but that goes very deep with me. I have spent a good majority of my time finding absolute truth in many corners, and I have found mathematics to be a beautiful system that can explain the subtleties of humanity, and has helped me find faith in God. Just the simple concept of the unit. Saying that something can be represented as one. And with that, there is a manipulation that is shockingly liberal, but in it we find some very pure truths. I would agree that mathematics can be found in art and music. So many degrees. Some of my favorite

As for mindslant... that is an intelligent way to say a very stupid thing. Life is a system: a set of rules. There are chemical forces that work it's way up to biological forces, that lead to social catena, up to political catena... in the end, it is all one gigantic chain reaction set forth by the smallest and simplest units of life. Smaller than atoms. Than strings, or anything we can imagine. Some substance smaller than we could comprehend. Do you really think that in this, we could possibly sum up life in one study? By trying to find truth, are we not just revealing our own inabilities to find it? It has taken science and religion, art and tim, and every discipline we can conceieve of to explain life. The fact is, we must base our knowledge on faith. That mathematics is pure BY IT'S OWN RULES. When it comes to application, that can only be found when math's rules align with those in life.

To find perfect application is to understand life itself. Don't hurt yourself.

The power of truth is action.

Dec 29, 2004 20:15 # 30601

Mindslant ** replies...

Two ships in the night

I'm not totally sure that was a response to what I (atleast) meant to write. But I will warn against placing faith in Emergentivism. As Jeagwon Kim notes, while a very luring concept that fits in many great places, it ultimately requires too many suppositions (such as infinite extension of unfinished science). If strings do lead up to universes one would expect to see 1 theory (not 5-10) of everything. My only point was that math is a concept not needed in a socratic definition of 'life'.

Dec 29, 2004 20:21 # 30602

CTPhoenix *** replies...

Then what is?

If strings prove to be the substance of the universe, that does not solve for anything. The nature of those strings is infinite, just like the manipulation of the unit. Are you in belief that one theory could explain life?

The power of truth is action.

Dec 29, 2004 20:27 # 30603

Mindslant ** replies...

Re: Then what is?

Ok why not. There is only 1 universe. That being a major prefix...uni. Logic would entail that there be 1 theory.

But if you ask me to draw an answer from my deepest of deepests..."dev/null. Further Data Required."

That was Socrates' claim to fame (and suicide), the Zen knowledge that he knew nothing.

Dec 29, 2004 21:16 # 30604

CTPhoenix *** replies...

Re: Then what is?

Ha... Agreed.

The power of truth is action.


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