Reading Philosophy

A friend of mine has this theory about eatin your own feces. He says it would actually be good for you because it still contains vitamins and what not.
I cannot seem to find many articles written about this because I'm pretty sure not too many people have tried to eat their own crap, and those who have either a) didnt live long enough to tell their story, or b) didnt care enough to write anything about it.
Any other theories out there?

I've never tried eating poo... but I do know that I rather get my vitamins from fruit and vegetables. They look way more appetizing... not to mention the smell (and probably taste).

"God is dead." - Nietzsche, 1882 "Nietzsche is dead." - God, 1900

Haha.

Too funny.

To each his own...

First, I'm apt to wonder if y'all we're smoking some of those left-hand cigarettes that I'm so fond of to actually entertain a conversation like that.

Notwithstanding, I read that in the wild, animals will eat feces to supress their appetite. I would imagine similar would apply for the human species.

I'll save the part where I talk about eating ass, and what that tastes like, during sex for a different forum.

Once Fred Neitszche declared God is Dead, f*ck became the most important word in the English languag

Well, there's this thing about drinking your own urine. Actually it shall even help. 'Eigenurin-Therapie' it is called in German - translates as 'self-urine therapy'. Tasty! :P

According to some sites, this kind of therapy originally originated from India, so maybe our fellow Indian NAOis could say a word or two about that? ;)

cu, w0lf.

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This post was edited by ginsterbusch on Feb 21, 2005.

Hmm... well, this topic is in Philosophy, so should we not then be debating the philisophical question of whether or not to eat crap?

'To eat or not to eat shit? Whether tis' nobler to consume it for the benefit of vitamins contained within, or to dispose of said feces, dispensing with life-extending vitamins, but enjoying shortened life all the more, having dispensed with a rather unpleasant experience...'

... that's about as far as that goes. But it seems to me, shit is waste material, and contains far more of what the body DOESN'T want than what it might want back.

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Well, concerning the eating of shit, the Marquise de Sade (from whom the word "sadism" is derived) finds it a very fascinating theme in his writings.

im not a de sade expert, but my interpretation of his philosophy is that he puts premium on the glorification of the senses through exploring all possible avenues of pleasure, including ones barred by society by being labeled as depraved. this, of course, includes pain. modern society has taken to some of his ideas, and that is why S&M (sado-masochism), though still not considered mainstream sexuality, certainly has its following, and even conservative people may experiment with it from time to time. this is reflected in pop culture, if the proliferation of S&M pornography is any indication. so you might say that the Marquise de Sade wasn't such a crazy kook after all because some of his ideas, though definitely beyond his time, are now found to be acceptable by a portion of the modern population. however, the one theme in his writings that still does not find resonance in modern sexuality is the eating of shit. his characters really got a kick out of it, but i doubt that many modern people, however deviant, are into this. i personally have not seen a single pornographic film featuring the eating of shit. and even if such a film were to exist, i doubt it would be very popular.

for your reading pleasure, check out this webpage which features de Sade's book, "120 Days of Sodom."

http://www.globusz.com/ebooks/120Days/00000010.htm

For those of you who don't intend check out the webpage above, i won't be pasting any excerpt here. I remember that when i read this book in college, i couldn't eat with any appetite for the next three days. i felt so distrubed and dirty. the thing about de sade is that he expresses his philosophy not through discourse but through fiction, using the voice of his depraved characters. the frequent use of the imagery of eating shit tells us that this isn't a random choice of using depavity in his book, but a deliberate illustration of a (philosophical?) point. concerning what that point is, i'm not really sure. From what I remember, the book starts with soft porn, then increases the level of depravity (eating shit), and by the end of the 120 days they're doing extreme S&M (at one point, one of the characters bit off another character's nipple.) i don't remember, but i think some of the characters die.

though some parts were dark and not really pleasant to read (S&M parts), some parts, the eating of shit in particular, were just plain hilarious. i'm serious, it was really funny. i can't explain it well, as humor isn't easily explained. but i guess it's because the characters exaggeratedly expressed their ecstasy. at one point, one character made another one shit on a plate. he didn't eat it--yet. he just spent lots and lots of time smelling it and exclaiming that this was the "most wondeful piece of turd" he had ever seen and it was just "heavenly." i think one character described himself as a "connosieur of the ass."

incidentally, there is a movie called "Salo" which is an adaptation of this book. i haven't seen the film myself, but on the this webpage below is a funny review written by a grossed-out critic:

http://www.naturalbornviewers.com/archive/s/salo/review.htm

so there, de sade saw the eating of shit as a path to enlightened pleasure. we in this day and age may not agree with him. but many people never really agreed with the whole S&M idea before and yet it has some believers now. perhaps the idea is just ahead even of our own time. perhaps our descendants a hundred years from now will discover the sublime pleasure of eating turds.

“To God, there is no zero. I still exist.” Scott Carey, The Incredible Shrinking Man

This post was edited by childeoftheblood on Feb 23, 2005.

Sorry. If I don't click on any of the links in this particular topic, I hope you'll understand. I just ate, you see.

I have understood that poo has a lot of nitrates in them, which is beneficial for plantlife, but I don't know how beneficial it would be for human beings. Needless to say, if I tried something like that, it would only be because I thought I would die otherwise AND I thought nobody would know. :P

If the world should blow itself up,the last audible voice would be an expert saying it can't be done

this, of course, includes pain. modern society has taken to some of his ideas, and that is why S&M (sado-masochism), though still not considered mainstream sexuality, certainly has its following, and even conservative people may experiment with it from time to time.

You should avoid mentioning SM in combination with Marquis de Sade - as you can read (and hear) in any up-to-date article/writing about SM, this particular person was a sadist - a mentally insane person, who has been plagued with a illness, whilst so-called sado-masochists dont have anything in common with this guy - he, who needed his sadism to have sexual satification, whilst the 'modern' type of sadomasochist doesnt need that, but just extends his or her sexual perception and/or experience. I just wanted to mention this because I'm considering myself NOT to suffer of the same mental illness that Marquis de Sade has been suffering from.

But nevertheless, one should have at least read one of his books - there are more than just "120 Days of Sodom - or: the School of Debauchery" (at least that's the full name, how it's called in German - "Die 120 Tage von Sodom - oder: die Schule der Ausschweifung"). This particular book was his last one, and it didnt quite make its way to the book press, anyway. Indeed, it's a fragment/manuscript to a book de Sade was trying to write while being in prison. About 1905, this original manuscript was found - where or how the so-called facsimile I'm owning myself doesnt tell us - and (re-)printed. Only the first 30 days are completely written out, the rest is only available in fractures.

BTW: Actually de Sade isnt particularly talking about 'eating excrements', 'shit' or similar words, but about eg. 'she gave him her dirt'.

but many people never really agreed with the whole S&M idea before and yet it has some believers now. perhaps the idea is just ahead even of our own time. perhaps our descendants a hundred years from now will discover the sublime pleasure of eating turds.

Please stop putting 'fecal fetishism' into the same drawer as SM. I'm NOT a fecal fetishist, thank you very much! X-(
SM means sado-masochism, also called BDSM and has nothing in common with this sick shit!

A good quote out of WikiPedia:

Although the names of the Marquis de Sade and Leopold von Sacher-Masoch are attached to the terms sadism and masochism respectively, the question remains as to whether their ways of life would meet with modern BDSM standards of informed consent.

cu, w0lf.

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This post was edited by ginsterbusch on Feb 23, 2005.

I bought a copy of "The 120 Days of Sodom" in a bookstore called, if I recall, Anagram. It's, well. . . detailed. De Sade was by no means a man to do things by halves, which is no doubt why he was so reviled in his time. I've not read it the whole way through, but I've gone far enough to feel genuinely disturbed by some of the things therein.

I'll believe in anything if you'll just believe in anything

Please stop putting 'fecal fetishism' into the same drawer as SM. I'm NOT a fecal fetishist, thank you very much! X-(

SM means sado-masochism, also called BDSM and has nothing in common with this sick shit!

hey, ginsterbusch. i didn't mean it this way. i just meant modern sadomasochists, though not fans of de sade, can trace the root of the philosophy to de sade. de sade's philosophy was just tempered by people in time to the point where his ideological descendants no longer view him as their ideological forefather but instead a "sick shit."

on the other hand, you could be truly right in that perhaps modern masochism as you describe it has been around in the time of de sade, but this ultra-deviant just happened to be the one who used his pen and told the world about it. his name was then used to cover all forms of S&M, from the acceptable type characterized by mutual consent to the sick kind characterized by abuse.

i'm intrigued by your use of the phrase "fecal fetishist." actually, this is the first time i heard it. i didn't think these people existed; or if they did, i didn't think there would be enough of them to warrant an official-sounding term--fecal fetishist. man, that IS sick. so rest assured i am not equating you with these people or with de sade.

my point remains, however: de sade's philosophy featured fecal fetishism and a raw and cruel (sick?) form of S&M. a century or so after de sade, S&M is now acceptable, at least the kind discussed in wikipedia. how do we know that after another century, fecal fetishism would not be likewise acceptable?

PS you say:

Actually de Sade isnt particularly talking about 'eating excrements', 'shit' or similar words, but about eg. 'she gave him her dirt'.

i'm not sure what you mean by this. i know that de sade didn't really use the word "shit." the favored term in his text is "turd." however, the text did feature the eating of turds. the Tenth Day features an accidental swallowing of it (http://www.globusz.com/ebooks/120Days/00000021.htm); the Eleventh Day features one character defecating directly on the mouth of another (http://www.globusz.com/ebooks/120Days/00000022.htm); the Twelfth day features a man defecating on a plate then eating the turds (http://www.globusz.com/ebooks/120Days/00000023.htm)....

okay, i'll stop enumerating now. i don't intend to re-read the text up to the Thirtieth Day.

“To God, there is no zero. I still exist.” Scott Carey, The Incredible Shrinking Man

Oh yeah, there are people out there who eat shit. It is called: caprophagy. Making someone eat shit would be called: 'forced' caprophagy. It isn't a practice that exists primarily in the writings of deSade... there are a number of people who actively enjoy the activity; but, they don't make a habit of broadcasting it to the world. Even my copy of The American Heritage Dictionary doesn't have a listing for the word caprophagy. Interesting.

It is a really touchy subject for a lot of people, and yet you hear phrases referencing the practice. Hmmm. Just thought I'd mention that I have no personal interest in it as something that I would like to do... none, whatsoever. So, if the philosophical question, as Bunk so delicately stated is: To eat or not eat shit? Then I would say, I personally think it is bad for you overall, and with my 'crappy' immune system (pun intended)... I would probably get sick. But what's new?

Anyway there is a certain element of the population that likes it, and I have met some of these people. I don't really care to relate what kind of stories I heard, but suffice it to say, the practice not only exists, there is a definite segment of the population out there who participates in the activity.

Beyond hearing personally related stories, I read in an issue of Domina magazine that one dominatrix monitors her diet for primarily fruits and vegetables, so that her slaves (who were mostly business execs and CEOs... imagine that?) would not get ill from eating it. Heck, for that matter there are slaves who are human spitoons, but I won't go into that. *shudders*

And there are an awful lot of people who drink urine... I have had three guys offer to pay me between $40-$100 to drink a glass of my urine. All I can say is... if you haven't been drinking enough water, urine looks an awful lot like Grand Marnier in the blacklight.

Boy, the Philosophy forum has really gone to 'shit'. He he...

My mind is made up...not like my bed, which is a mess.

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That, i believe, is impossibe beacause one's body has alredy absorbed all nutrients and vitimans before one excretes.