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Feb 27, 2005 03:49 # 33562

kaizley *** wants to know...

Phenominalism

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My dear arty friends, I was in great wonder-ment and was wondering if someone would be able to explain phenominalism to me. Thank you all very muchly.

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Feb 27, 2005 10:32 # 33572

andromacha *** has all the information you need...

Re: Phenomenalism

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Ok, from what I remember, it was the philosophical thought of Hume, an English philosopher of the 1700 more or less. He basically works and developes the ideas of Berkeley and Hobbes. What he obtains is that in order to know something we must base ourselves on our sensations: we can't know the substances but only their representations.

He then distinguishes impressions from ideas. Impressions are the very first feelings/sensations that we perceive of an object, whereas the Ideas are sort of reproduced impressions, which occur with thinking about the object, its shape and such.

Both ideas and impressions are ruled according to special association laws, which establish in which relationship an idea has to be with another idea, or an impression to another impression. They can be associated by similarity, space and time contiguity or cause-effect. For example we say that flames/fire are the cause of heat.

Experience only gives us a succession relationship (post hoc) so that at a cause A succeeds an effect B. At this point, we, seeing how this thing repeats itself and occurs more than once in a given time, establish that there is a connection (propter hoc) between the cause and the effect.
Faith has its part in the relationshiop cause-effect, in fact it helps where the human logic and reasoning are not sufficient.

Last thing that comes to mind is that later on Hume develops even more his ideas, briging the empiriocriticism to its extreme consequences: we can't know what appears to us (phenomenalism) and metaphysics is impossible (scepticism).

That's all I rememeber... I am more in touch with the '900s philosophers, but I still remember a few things also about the others, as long as there is no one who comes and ask me what Parmenides thought about nature and such ;)
In case someone feels that there is a mistake in what I have written, or that it is not clear, please correct me.

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Feb 28, 2005 03:02 # 33595

eljefe *** replies...

Re: Phenominalism

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Always, always check out wikipedia. They have many a good article, but since it is community driven, you would be best to fact check more juicy details.

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Feb 28, 2005 21:40 # 33635

andromacha *** has a suggestion...

Re: Phenominalism

Some philosophical concepts can be hard to understand, especially for someone who is not exactly... in touch with the subject. So this is probably why Kaizley asked us instead of using a site or the Internet.

I had a look on wikipedia in fact, and it's not that I found so much afterall; what I saw was mostly about the modern interpretations of the phenomenalism more than the old theory as Hume meant it.

In any case, in my post I tried to be easy so that the ones who really have not even the slightest idea of it can understand the general idea behind that. Then of course, if they want to have a deeper knowledge about the subject, they can consult online sites and whatnot.

I prefer writing a post, instead of just addressing people to internet sites. I find that quite aseptic if you ask me.

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