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Jun 11, 2005 06:41 # 36437

Aynjell *** posts about...

Voting a man to death...

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To those that live in Switzerland:

I recall you saying that you can vote anything into passing, legalization ad vice versa. Can you vote a man or lady to death? How exactly are such things handled? I am strongly considering moving to a smaller, more open country because the current state of america sickens me.

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Jun 11, 2005 18:40 # 36447

Jaz *** replies...

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Like with most constitutions, every person's right to live, their dignity and protection from arbitrary force is guaranteed on the first page.

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Jun 12, 2005 02:19 # 36457

Sigma_7 *** replies...

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From the Fortune file:

Jacquin's Postulate on Democratic Government:
No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session.

Even if the constitution guarentees life, liberty, and security, there's nothing preventing it from being canned entirely after a revolution causes a country to switch over to a despotism. This has already happened at least once within the past century - there's nothing that will prevent it from happening again (aside from an educated population that prevents that sort of political climate.)

Jun 12, 2005 08:57 # 36465

andromacha *** replies...

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Wherever in Europe you cannot vote a man to death. The rights of even a murderer are always preserved, because there is the common belief that it is wrong that a human being takes the life of another human being.

I have to say that I am totally on that side, even if some things that happened here in Italy really challenged me: 2 mothers in two different cities killed their own kids of 2 years and 5 months, and then pretended that there was like a robber that did all this; a man who had been in jail until a few years ago for having raped and killed 2 women (this happened about 30 years ago, and he was condamned to spend the whole life in jail, but then obtained a reduction) after being out of prison and being "clean" for a while, rapes a woman and her 14-year-old daughter, then he kills them and digs a hole and puts them in there; and then all those fucking people who do nasty things to children...

I know that I feel like it would be almost right to kill the ones who kill or abuse children: they are worthless people. How can you stoop to do something like that? Or men raping women. If I were to follow my instinct, I would deball them instead of killing them. This way they will always have to remember of their crime, just like women who have been raped are likely to remember that. It happened to me... almost, because someone arrived just in time and my aggressor ran away. It happened when I was 14, but I still remember that clearly. Maybe some minor details are lost, like what day it was and such. And the worst part is that I had known that guy since we were in the first year of elementary school. I couldn't want his death, yet I know he should have paid for what he had tried to do, but I did not report it to the police. I did not say anything about this, not even to my parents.

Anyway, as I was saying before, when I hear of these major crimes, especially towards women or children, it is really hard for me to keep cool and maintain my opinion of disagreeing on voting a man to death. My mom is normally the one who can always convince me back saying how it would be wrong. The killer or raper has to live and be punished. In my perfect society, we would put such people in jail and then destroy the key of their jail room (that's just to say that we'd put them in, and we'd never get them out again), but it normally doesn't work like that, and it's a shame...

Italy no longer accepts illegal immigrants. Mr. B sink their boats!!!!!!!

Jul 05, 2005 21:59 # 36951

persocom * posts about...

You are generalizing men!

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Ok so you are generalizing that just men rape and sodamize women and children(sorry if i didnt use the correct word for that but im not exactly great with words) but i know for a fact that women do that as much if not a little less then men *due to mens nature to want to be in control* because my best friend and his younger sister were raped by there mother,NOT the father!I am sorry for what happened when you were younger but that doesn't meen that ALL men are like that.Given it is more likely that men will try to do that but 'likely' isnt the same as saying that they WILL do it.

Jun 02, 2006 01:43 # 42908

Aynjell *** replies...

Re: You are generalizing men!

Ok so you are generalizing that just men rape and sodamize women and children(sorry if i didnt use the correct word for that but im not exactly great with words) but i know for a fact that women do that as much if not a little less then men *due to mens nature to want to be in control* because my best friend and his younger sister were raped by there mother,NOT the father!I am sorry for what happened when you were younger but that doesn't meen that ALL men are like that.Given it is more likely that men will try to do that but 'likely' isnt the same as saying that they WILL do it.

You sir, have definitely posted in the wrong thread. :)

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Jun 12, 2005 09:26 # 36466

null throws in his two cents...

Re: Voting a man to death...

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Can you vote a man or lady to death?

I'm not an expert on this, but I think the constitution would have to be changed first to allow this kind of referendum (it strictly forbids the killing of people in its current state), and a change of the constitution requires a referendum of its own. While I think that (technically speaking) there's some way to do it, it's very very very unlikely to happen, to say the very least - above all because I don't think many people would vote in favor of such a thing.

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

This post was edited by null on Jun 12, 2005.

Jun 12, 2005 20:23 # 36474

Aynjell *** replies...

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Ah. How is switzerland's stance on software patents? Are they forced to honour them, or are they against them?

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Jun 13, 2005 07:27 # 36485

null has all the information you need...

Software Patents

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Are they forced to honour them, or are they against them?

That's a somewhat complicated story. You've probably heard about the ongoing discussion on software patents in the EU. (In short, patents can be filed, but the legal grounds to enforce them are still being discussed.) Now technically Switzerland is not part of the EU and has no obligation whatsoever to adapt EU law, but since we're a member of the European Patent Convention, it's very likely that we will. In the extreme case the EU will introduce software patents and we Swiss will vote against software patents, which would create the somewhat awkward situation that software made in Switzerland might be illegal abroad, and European software companies won't be able to 'defend' their European patents in Switzerland. You see, autonomy sometimes cuts both ways.

When life hands you a lemon, that's 40% of your RDA of vitamin C taken care of.

This post was edited by null on Jun 13, 2005.

Jun 04, 2006 17:37 # 42931

charlie *** replies...

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I am strongly considering moving to a smaller, more open country because the current state of america sickens me.

Dude! I am perpetually considering the idea of moving Canada. I would consider a smaller further away country, but you know, I'd like to keep speaking English and stay relativly close to my family who won't leave the USA.

Albeit, government here is ridiculous not only because of their war mongerings but because of their refusal to help the poor and destitute, or set up any sort of social health care, or even decent public transit!

I'm not sure these issues are better in Canada, but it's worth a shot.

*Charlie thinks to himself* Do Canada research. Do Canada research.

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Jun 05, 2006 03:25 # 42941

MelMel *** replies...

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Come to Australia. We're like wannabe USA in training. we want to be a superpower, but we just cant bring ourselves to stop watching football and drinking beer and actually get our asses up off the couch. We're a bit of a wanker in regards to our treatment of East Timor, and we're still involved in Iraq... actually, on second thoughts don't come to australia, go to new zealand. i'm not sure they even know where iraq is :P

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Jun 05, 2006 04:22 # 42942

charlie *** replies...

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Great! But do you have socialized healthcare? What about public transit? Do you at least tax rich people? But the weather will be much nicer in Australia. Hmmm...

Why is Austrailia involved in Iraq? You aren't making money from the war like the Bush family is.

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Jun 05, 2006 04:36 # 42943

MelMel *** replies...

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We have public and private healthcare, but the public healthcare isn't great. i'm not very up to date with public healthcare though, as i use private healthcare on my father's account... but ibelieve there's health care cards available for students and those eligible for centrelink (government assistance for unemployed and students if they decide they like you. assistance for students is 30% below the poverty line however). public transport is good in Melbourne, i can get almost anywhere in Victoria on buses trains and trams and it's not too expensive as long as you have a concession card.

Why is Australia involved in Iraq... well... where do I start? Basically we have a history of butt kissing to the stronger nations. First the brits, now the yankees... But in recent times i suppose it all comes down to the ANZUS alliance which says that basically if Australia is in trouble the USA guarantee to have a meeting with us and then possibly aid us. So in the name of ANZUS we do whatever the USA want as a bit of a downpayment on an investment that odds are will never pay off. But if you ask most Australians what ANZUS even is they wouldnt know, or they'd think it was an iron clad agreement that the USA will provide military aid if we ever need it, when all they actually have to do is pick up the phone and tell us that life's a bitch.

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Jun 08, 2006 06:09 # 42971

Bunk *** replies...

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Oh my, I've been missing an opportunity to talk up the motherland!

But the weather will be much nicer in Australia.

Hey, the weather in Canada is awesome! Especially Ottawa: stupidly hot in the summer, and absolutely frigid in the winter. The in between times are nice... all five days of them a year. ;p

Ok, so the weather sucks... but we do have socialized healthcare. Which is effective, but not as effective as it should be. And yes, public transit. And we're not in Iraq (Although we'll be in Afghanistan for a looong time :p). Oh, and don't worry about the new Conservative PM, Harper. He's reasonable, and intelligent. How he manages to be a Conservative at the same time, I don't know...

on second thoughts don't come to australia, go to new zealand

But if you can't choose... My oldest cousin went to live in London, England, for a while. She fell in love with a Kiwi also living in London and is now pregnant. That kid gets to have his/her english-speaking nationality cake and eat it too. :D

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Jun 08, 2006 19:05 # 42981

charlie *** isn't happy...

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we do have socialized healthcare. Which is effective, but not as effective as it should be.

Well, effective socialized healthcare is good enough compared to here.

I can't even begin to talk about how stupid it is that one of the richest countries in the world still has no real healthcare that's affordable for people at or beneath a living wage (thirty percent of employed Americans earn less than a living wage).

And the damn big government hasn't raised minimum wage since I was in high school - more than 5 years ago. It's true that this might "kill small businesses" but what it really allows is for corporate America to pay the blue collar worker less and make even more money from him. In short, keeping minimum wage down only helps the already rich - just like tax cuts in this administration!

And then of course public transit. Not only saves money on precious "foreign oil", but it saves you money on car insurance, maintence, and it decreases traffic congestion and pollution. Hardly anyone in America can remember when there were actually places called downtown in American cities.

This is where blue collar workers could actually save money by living near where they worked, or even take a short bus. But now they have to drive out to the mall or Wal-Mart or something bogus like that.

<End of rant>

And we're not in Iraq...Oh, and don't worry about the new Conservative PM, Harper. He's reasonable, and intelligent. How he manages to be a Conservative at the same time

I'll keep an eye on Canada, see how things work out for you guys over the next two years. By then I might be moving back to the USA. :)

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