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May 29, 2002 22:13 # 3683

ReallyCoolDude *** wants to know...

2 questions

Found this on the internet, thought it would be interesting.

Question 1: If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids already, three who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded, and she had syphilis; would you recommend that she have an abortion?

Read the next question before scrolling down to the answer of this one.

Question 2: It is time to elect a new world leader, and your vote counts. Here are the facts about the three leading candidates:

Candidate A: Associates with crooked politicians, and consults with astrologists. He's had two mistresses. He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.

Candidate B: He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon, used opium in college and drinks a quart of whisky every evening.

Candidate C: He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and hasn't had any extramarital affairs.
Which of these candidates would be your choice?

Decide first, no peeking, then scroll down for the answer.

Candidate A is Franklin D. Roosevelt
Candidate B is Winston Churchill
Candidate C is Adolph Hitler

And by the way: Answer to the abortion question - if you said yes, you just killed Beethoven.

Pretty interesting ain't it?

Love is blind, but marriage is a real eye opener.

May 29, 2002 23:24 # 3685

gentledeepwaters *** replies...

Re: 2 questions

yep and rare miracles in all cases.

quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

May 30, 2002 14:23 # 3692

chris ** throws in his two cents...

Re: 2 questions

yep and rare miracles in all cases.

I agree with that statement. I think that none of these cases are actually representative of normality (outliers, all).

The abortion one has an obvious answer (and did you know that Beethoven was also deaf later in life--while he wrote his fifth symphony?). You just don't abort unless absolutely necessary.

As for the other cases that were brought up, well, I have a few things to say about them.

Yes, we have had some colorful characters in history that have done a lot of good for a lot of people. Yes, insane and power hungry people can be pretty "straight" in other ways.

But, this begs the question of public vs. private morality altogether, and it severely limits its scope and definition.

Sometimes people with bad personal habits are in a position to do a lot of public good, and they deliver. Sometimes. Rarely. When a person who is not privately moral takes a public position and ends up doing good in it, I applaud that person for being responsible and dedicated to something larger than himself. But, imagine how much more he could do if he had actual integrity--his personal and internal life matching that of his external life!

I do not deny that there are notable exceptions. There always are. It is not useful, however, to focus on exceptions. We would be better served to think about the general and widely applicable rule first, and then note that exceptions exist.

For the most part, when government officials have been privately immoral, they have done absolutely no good for us. In fact, they have done damage. That's the rule. The exceptions are few and far between. Selfishness, after all, is something that permeates all parts of a man's (speaking in the gender-neutral sense, here) life. Just think about politicians in the pockets of Hollywood. If they had private integrity, it would be impossible to keep them in anyone's public pocket.

C

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May 30, 2002 16:21 # 3698

null *** throws in his two cents...

Re: 2 questions

Just wanted to add that the Hitler example is very selective. It doesn't say anything about the cocaine excesses and Hitler's private quack doctor who (supposedly, didn't know him personally) wasn't much more than a drug dealer.

"*sigh* Some men are really hard to manipulate!" - Orchid

May 30, 2002 20:09 # 3707

gentledeepwaters *** replies...

Re: 2 questions

lol if I were Hitler's doctor I'd a been drugging his keester too......just different drugs....

quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

May 30, 2002 18:42 # 3701

Orchid *** isn't happy...

Re: 2 questions

I'm so disappointed. This is sooooo old ;-)

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May 30, 2002 20:14 # 3708

gentledeepwaters *** replies...

Re: 2 questions

LMAO.......what is the most interesting thing to me.....both are slanted toward two topics.....Pro life versus Pro Choice.

Integrity and morality in our Public Faces.

I gather you have more to say on these two subjects??

quis custodiet ipsos custodes?


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