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Ever wonder if there is such a thing as a physical desire for death, and whether it is just as strong as the will to live. Isn't there an urge, a force, a basic compulsion to lead oraganic matter back to an inorganic state, and by so doing re-establish a pattern that was abnormally disturbed by the emergence of life?

After all, what is your body to you? You fed it, you clothed it, you washed it, you cared for it and you told it that it was you. But when it's walled passageway narrows down and miles become yards and yards become feet and feet inches, you find to your amazement how little you set by it. It's trivial. Unimportant. Birth seems to have been goodbye to some inanimate entity and only the logical end of living is hello again.

And yet, why not save yourself if you can? Why not? Drag yourself out of immediate danger and fight for the will to live.

Now are ye undeceived! Welcome, again, my children, to the communion of your race!

Of course there is. Some animals are *programmed* to die after they give birth to their children (some octopus species, for example) -their bodies refuse to digest food and they die out of starvation soon.

People live because they are programmed to do so. Some scientists made some calculations and figured out that people should not live longer than 40years. It's our will to live and constant improvement of our living conditions that made our lives longer. So our mind is also a factor in the case.

People might have a physical desire to die if their mind feels like it. When they get tired of life they die. Mind gets worn out as well as body does. It's all about that, propably.

"Life is a queue. You come in, hang around for a bit, get some service, then depart."

Some scientists made some calculations and figured out that people should not live longer than 40years. It's our will to live and constant improvement of our living conditions that made our lives longer.

Scientists? What scientists?

Actually, the human brain is designed to live 120 years. It has the potential to do so.

"What’s the average human life span...72 years...78 years? Actually, science has determined that humans were designed to live 120 years, and that, until now, most people died too soon." Live longer, etc.

For my next trick, I shall make you all disappear.

Well i do not really remember, but it was estimated that in comparison to other species people already live way too long.

Most animals live to procreate. When they can't they become obsolete. Some die soon after. Animals have two states: Young and mature (procreational age). People developed a third state - old age. From nature's point of view it's totally obsolete as people are useless in that state. It's an extra life-prolonging state that animals do not have.

Actually, the human brain is designed to live 120 years. It has the potential to do so.

I'm talking about the whole body here. Propably most animal brains are designed similarily.

"Life is a queue. You come in, hang around for a bit, get some service, then depart."

Asking for advice? Why are you asking us? We've all chosen to live.

That's partially a joke, but partially true at the same time. Everyone you see has chosen to live, and irrefutably for reasons which are not necessarily valid. Reasons might include religion, responsibility, or a will to do all the things you wanted to do.

Being a scientist, I really can't say whether or not the "afterlife" is better (if it even exists) or even if life itself is so terrific by comparison. What is pleasure but the intermission of pain? What is life but the intermission of death? As far as we know, we are but a seed of a beautiful flower, which still rears its head in some tiny dark shell thinking this is all the world has to offer.

All I know for sure is that death will be waiting for me when I am done with life. This, at least for me, is enough reason to keep on living. My adventures (or otherwise) will be waiting for me whether I want them to or not.

If the world should blow itself up,the last audible voice would be an expert saying it can't be done

It isnt a matter of what WE ourselves choose it is what our loved ones want.Even if we wanted to die 'i:e suicide' our family will be the final choice of our lives because of the legal system even if we wanted to we couldnt choose our own path and being one that chose death 3 or 4 times and is still in this shit hole.So everyone has a will to die no matter how small it is there and people that say they dont want to die are in an extent lying!!!!!

Well, 6 months after my orignal post, I have a followup.

Sigmund Frued, the founder of psychoanalysis- whom I radically disagree with most of the time- spoke of two basic motive forces in man- the will to death and the will to live. With this point, Frued did speak of something which it is possible for me to agree. Of these two, he felt the stronger and more basic force is the will to death, a suicidal drive to end life which governs the unconcious of men.

Albert William Levy, in commending Frued, concluded that-

"We are thus compelled to say that the goal of all life is death."

In a study which, while somewhat defective at points from a Christian perspective of mine is still very important, the psycologist Samueal J. Warner studies The Urge To Mass Destruction (Isnt that a Tilte to just die for??). In this urge of mass destruction, the individual will to death seeks to involve all men in its sucidial course. Warner cites "two major dynamic factors" which enter into the causation of this urge to mass destruction: first, "the craving for individual power," for the sheer amoral assertion of the ego, and, second, "the motive of revenge." In this will to power, relativism and nihilism are basic.

Nietzsche wrote, in The Will to Power, "Nihilism is...the belief that everything deserves to perish." He continues on declaring that, "Through nihilism is the conviction that life is absurd in the light of the highest values already discovered," and "the deed of nihilism...is suicide."

Warner speaks of the necessity of understanding the "most malignant perversion of human mindedness. We proceed with a conception of human mindedness in which hatred of all who live is a keu underlying feeling, individual power is a salient craving, and revenge upon all who live is a major factor." In other words, these zombies, these living dead, hate the living with all the passion of their malignant and corrupt souls.

They dedicate their lives to the destruction of all life and want all things to perish.

Talk about a lifes work, huh. Sounds quit a bit like science fiction now doesnt it?

Warner continues with ideas that:

"more important for him to defeat others than to succeed"
"Victory through defeat may indeed become the safest form of victory."

As a result of all this, because so many millions all over the world are involved in this will to death, we have therefore a national and international mental condition which is described by Warner's title, The Urge to Mass destruction. The Ugrs to Mass Destruction is on all sides of us. Look around, what do you see? Suicide, abortion & war.

Where are we headed?

Now are ye undeceived! Welcome, again, my children, to the communion of your race!