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Oh no, I'm not misinformed. Not at all. I know what I'm talking about. Gentoo is nitty-gritty, it makes you do the work. That's what I meant by low level. And uh, who the fuck are you to reccomend LFS to me? Yeah, this conversation is over. As for the documentation, if it was so easy, how come you couldn't set your monitor up with it? I know it's easy, I got all my stuff set up with it and game all day in it. Dual monitors is prolly a tad bit harder to set up with gentoo than a single itty bitty laptop flat panel.

And I never said it was gentoo only. It more or less is because very few distrobutions make it so accessible. I just emerge reiser4progs and morph-sources and I'm set. No fscking around an automated installer disc. They may not be using gentoo, but uh, most people I know that are the developers I care about do.

So, anyway, this is over. Even if you like Suse, you still accused gentoo of all the wrong things.

I should be ashamed of myself.

And uh, who the fuck are you to reccomend LFS to me?

Don't listen to me, listen to anyone. The general consensus is that LFS is more low level.

. As for the documentation, if it was so easy, how come you couldn't set your monitor up with it?

The documentation on the issue was correct I think. There was a software bug somewhere. But the original argument is that I shouldn't have ever had to try setting it up. There's only 1 way to do it.

And I never said it was gentoo only. It more or less is because very few distrobutions make it so accessible.

You "more or less" did. Look at what I said before, anyone can do it. Just because it's easy in gentoo doesn't mean it isn't easy in other distros. Anyone who can edit their grub.conf to use morph-sources is also probably perfectly linux savvy enough to apply a kernel patch.

"Nurture your mind with great thoughts, for you will never go any higher than you think."

majic ws kind enough to download 5 or 6 distributions, burn them to CD, and ship them to me back when I had dial-up.

I remember that. Haha.. the good old days =)

Anyway, to wrap up what started this argument: Gentoo supports millions of more devices than suse does. First and foremost because gentoo supports every single practical architecture avialable and even some of the crazy ones. Suse barely supports outside of x86, gentoo has several (x86, x86_64, PPC, PPC64, MIPS, ALPHA, SPARC, SPARC64, not to mention others that may not be listed). Hardware support belongs to gentoo as far as linux goes.

Anyway, I got mad and I forgot...

You are one of those automagick is support peoples. One of those Cedega is an API retards. Get fucking real. And then you were dumb enough to insult my intelligence? Ha... Glad that you have so much more experience, skill, and sheer brain power. I'm sorry to hear that you found posts from only 6 months ago without seeing that I am already well versed in several areas of general computing as well as advanced development. Can you develop that fast? can you gain proficiency with such efficiency? Get bent because gentoo pwns your pussy nancy boy Suse anyday.

I should be ashamed of myself.

This post was edited by Aynjell on Jul 13, 2005.

Anyway, to wrap up what started this argument: Gentoo supports millions of more devices than suse does. First and foremost because gentoo supports every single practical architecture avialable and even some of the crazy ones.

I was thinking exclusively of x86, because if you're looking for a desktop/laptop OS, chances are that's what you've got. I thought this was clear since gaming has been mention several times and basically doesn't exist on any other architecture. Remember I said SuSe had better support, "in my experience?" Dell Insprion 8000's run on P3s. And my desktop is an AthlonXP.

We're also using different definitions of "hardware support." You're thinking "can be made to work with once a thousand configuration files with different obscure syntaxes are hacked by hand." I'm thinking, "plug and play."

You are one of those automagick is support peoples. One of those Cedega is an API retards. Get fucking real.

Not sure what you mean by either of those statements. Way to stereotype me based on random tangents. You're clearly one of those funroll-loops.org peoples. And for the record -- Cedega is an implementation of a subset of the win32 and DirectX APIs. That's not something you can argue, that's a fact. What do YOU think it is?

And then you were dumb enough to insult my intelligence? Ha... Glad that you have so much more experience, skill, and sheer brain power. I'm sorry to hear that you found posts from only 6 months ago without seeing that I am already well versed in several areas of general computing as well as advanced development. Can you develop that fast? can you gain proficiency with such efficiency? Get bent because gentoo pwns your pussy nancy boy Suse anyday.

I don't care who's smarter or who can develop faster. You also have no idea where I was a year ago, and smarts is a lot more than *nix knowledge. I just think your Gentoo fanboyism is stupid behavior. Smart people still do stupid things.

When you start calling people "retards" and say your distro "pwns your pussy" that's a clear indication you have no real arguments left, not to mention it conveniently insults your intelligence for me. In a debate, if you have ammo, you use it. If you don't, you can either fess up, or take your route and just dive into as many personal insults as possible.

"Nurture your mind with great thoughts, for you will never go any higher than you think."

This post was edited by Tetrazome on Jul 13, 2005.

Just keep in mind that gentoo will still perform better once you get off your lazy butt and configure it.

P.S. Not true. There isn't any evidence supporting this. What exactly does gentoo do to make itself faster?

Q: But it's specially compiled for my hardware!

A: This actually makes very little difference for most applications. And a lot of distributions are offering i686 binaries now so it makes 0 difference.

Q: But there's no extra services running!

A: Most services only take up a couple MB of RAM. Not a problem on a modern system. And there's no reason you can't disable them in other distros.

Q: But gentoo uses prelinking!

A: So can every other distribution. Just install prelink.

Q: But USE flags make my system leaner!

A: Actually true :) But how much leaner? This isn't going to matter unless you specify individual use flags for every package you install. You can also usually accomplish the same effect on any other distro by compiling from source and using ./configure optons.

Also, if gentoo is faster, why does KDE take over 36 hours to install? ;)

"Nurture your mind with great thoughts, for you will never go any higher than you think."

That is true. Portage has long compile times, but you know what, there is a community at stake too. I have freinds that use gentoo and we are better freinds because we have somethin' in common. Ever gone to the irc channels? Ever been on teh forums?

The other communities suck. I started using gentoo, and it's imbedded in me. People that are power users prefer gentoo. After years of another distro called crux, one dosage of gentoo converted a good e-freind of mine. If you want automagick, linux isn't a good place to look. I'm not going to suggest linux, but you may be expecting the wrong thing. Linux users aren't nancy-boys. They are people who enjoy control over their system.

I for one switched to linux for that very reason. My ability to make every fucking little choice. It makes my system my system and no distro does it better than gentoo. :) Period, end of story. I use gentoo, and that doc was written by a gentoo user. and you know what, I never said a damn thing about praciticallity on teh desktop.

You may never notice the speed increase, but by the numbers, it's usually around 1/3 faster. And that will show up in big games like doom 3 that eat 512 MB of video ram for breakfast, like it or not.

I should be ashamed of myself.

You may never notice the speed increase, but by the numbers, it's usually around 1/3 faster. And that will show up in big games like doom 3 that eat 512 MB of video ram for breakfast, like it or not.

I call bullshit. Give me benchmarks.

(P.S. I agree that gentoo has a really good community around it though. The forums were very helpful when I used them.)

"Nurture your mind with great thoughts, for you will never go any higher than you think."

This post was edited by Tetrazome on Jul 12, 2005.

Hehe, like I said, I conceded to the compile times.

And maybe you missed my obvious hate for intel? Guess you have eye problems. Is that why your pixels seemed to turn white?

As for a tricked out system and skill level? You don't even know me. I ask the questions I don't know on teh forums, and I learned alot fast. i guaruntee in a year I'll have learned more than you have in your entire life. I started using this shit naught but a year ago. As in started with my first computer in 2k4. I had been in jail and such before that, I call anyone that can comfortably sit in an entirely manually setup system in a year of experience skilled. And you know what, I already know most of the C++/C and am strated to work into bigger things like GTK+ and Open GL. Do not question my skill, because you have no clue what you are talking about.

Also worth noting, most programs that use use flags on my systems are manually configured in /etc/portage/package.use.

And uh, compile times aside, my system eats a stage one for breakfast (4 hours before emerge -e system). Perhaps you should stop considering intel viable and use a chip made by people with heart? Intel shits chips out for companies like dell, toshiba, and the like who are then sold to idiots in the mainstream that aren't mac users (who are slightly less idiotic, fault on them or not). If you have slow compile times (36 hours) get with some more badass hardware. And uh, kde compiles in an hour on my system because I emerge kdebase. Perhaps you should try that? I beleive kde 3.3 compiled in a night (I tend to sleep for about 8 hours).

I should be ashamed of myself.

This post was edited by Aynjell on Jul 12, 2005.

As for a tricked out system and skill level? You don't even know me. I ask the questions I don't know on teh forums, and I learned alot fast.

Same here. Want a cookie?

i guaruntee in a year I'll have learned more than you have in your entire life.

That'd be pretty sweet. Good luck.

I had been in jail and such before that, I call anyone that can comfortably sit in an entirely manually setup system in a year of experience skilled.

Didn't say you weren't.

Do not question my skill, because you have no clue what you are talking about.

I'm not saying you're not talented. I'm saying you probably have more limited knowledge of linux than myself. The questions you're asking on gentoo.org are the kind of questions I asked a long time ago. That doesn't mean you won't eventually be just as or more knowledgeable than myself.

And uh, compile times aside, my system eats a stage one for breakfast (4 hours before emerge -e system).

I just installed ArchLinux to try out on my laptop. It's a P3 800. Took 30min. That's a bit faster.

Intel shits chips out for companies like dell, toshiba, and the like who are then sold to idiots in the mainstream that aren't mac users (who are slightly less idiotic, fault on them or not). If you have slow compile times (36 hours) get with some more badass hardware.

Laptops are expensive. This one was kindly donated to me. My desktop is an AthlonXP 3000+ with 768MB of PC2100 DDR. That's way more number crunching power than I could get if I bought a fairly high end laptop right now. And the compile times for Qt, Kdelibs, and Openoffice were still really long and annoying.

And uh, kde compiles in an hour on my system because I emerge kdebase.

If you've already compiled kdelibs and its dependencies, sure.

I beleive kde 3.3 compiled in a night (I tend to sleep for about 8 hours).

Took an hour to download on my P3 800. That means my old insulted hardware outperformed you by 8 fold. Downloading binary packages is much faster than compiling from source, no way around it. And installing software overnight is a pain. If you bought a game in the store, wouldn't you be pissed if it took overnight to install?

"Nurture your mind with great thoughts, for you will never go any higher than you think."