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If you've already compiled kdelibs and its dependencies, sure.

I beleive kde 3.3 compiled in a night (I tend to sleep for about 8 hours).

Took an hour to download on my P3 800. That means my old insulted hardware outperformed you by 8 fold. Downloading binary packages is much faster than compiling from source, no way around it. And installing software overnight is a pain. If you bought a game in the store, wouldn't you be pissed if it took overnight to install?

Sorry to hear you are stil on dialup.

Hehe, takes me less than a minute to download it. But seriously, taking different tests to compare distrobutions? You've never seen a need to test other distrobutions as hard as you have gentoo. If you had everything binarily installed in gentoo, which is very possible if you have freinds that can provide packages, you'd be just as well off. And you know what, that p3 800 bullshit is like comparing 3Dmark 2001 to 3Dmark2005, and your 3000+ is that one of those cute little bartons?

Try getting an athlon 64. The numbers may not seem to be much bigger but they have proven to be twice as fast on average.

Also worth noting, my laptop cost me 900 when I bought it and was only slightly less powerful than your desktop. I fail to see how they are expensive. Hard to set up, yes... Expensive, nah. When you get into high end gamer gear with the latest cards, you can raise that price by a few grand, but who needs gamer gear in linux?

As for configuring monitors, there are at least 2 ways to configure mine. Xinerama, and twinview, twinveiw being completely different in behaviour. So there is NOT just one to configure everything, because sometimes I need to do things manually, and I'd rather always do things manually than fish through what I do and don't.

I should be ashamed of myself.

This post was edited by Aynjell on Jul 13, 2005.

Sorry to hear you are stil on dialup.

I'm not. I'm on DSL. I'm talking about the CPU time to compile, not the download.

You've never seen a need to test other distrobutions as hard as you have gentoo.

And you know this how? Care to reveal your crystal ball? I usually run a few benchmarks when I install a new distro to make sure everything is working correctly. For instance, if hardrive access is slow, I might need to mess with hdparm.

If you had everything binarily installed in gentoo, which is very possible if you have freinds that can provide packages, you'd be just as well off.

Um, sure. If I got enough friends to find every Gentoo source package, compile it, and make a binary package for me, I'd be just as well of as using say Arch Linux, which uses binary packages from the start. Or I could spare me and my friends a lot of trouble and just install Arch Linux.

And you know what, that p3 800 bullshit is like comparing 3Dmark 2001 to 3Dmark2005, and your 3000+ is that one of those cute little bartons?

Um, the point with the "p3 bullshit" is that my slow ass p3 still installs KDE faster than whatever monster rig you have, because it's using a distribution that uses binary packages.

Try getting an athlon 64. The numbers may not seem to be much bigger but they have proven to be twice as fast on average.

My roommate has one. By the time I finish loading the HL2 intro, his has loaded it and played it all the way through. I agree their faster. Infact, I'll buy one. As soon as you give me the cash.

Also worth noting, my laptop cost me 900 when I bought it and was only slightly less powerful than your desktop. I fail to see how they are expensive.

First off, I said my laptop was donated. As in, you know, free. As in, like, a lot cheaper than 900$. If you want to pony up 900$ so I can buy a newer one, please do. If what you say is true laptop prices have come down quite a bit since I last looked (I'm not trying to be sarcastic here), care to give me a link? And what brand is it? (since everyone who buys Dell and Toshiba is retarded according to you)

As for configuring monitors, there are at least 2 ways to configure mine. Xinerama, and twinview, twinveiw being completely different in behaviour.

Ok, but assume for a second you have a matrox video card. Sure you may choose between Xinerama and twinview, but are you going to go pick the ATI driver? Of course not. Also, consider how many brain cells you're using up to learn each config files different rules and syntax. You can spend your time figuring those out, while I'll just use a GUI that has two radio buttons, one for Xinerama and one for Twinview. If a GUI makes something less customizable, it's not because by hand is always better, it's because you have a crap GUI.

When you get into high end gamer gear with the latest cards, you can raise that price by a few grand, but who needs gamer gear in linux?

Wasn't your article about linux gaming? You'll still want to get a decent card for Composite extension effects. America's Army, Doom3, and UT2004 are all fairly demanding and have linux versions. And of course there's wine and cedega. Or maybe I'm looking to make some 3D apps on linux (that's actually what I'm hired to do right now).

"Nurture your mind with great thoughts, for you will never go any higher than you think."

When I talk about gamer gear, I talk about the really heavy duty shit. Like the dual 7800GTX's that anandtech eat for breakfast. I'm talking the 6800 ultra go's that inhabit only the most powerful laptops. A 1300$ Toshiba (with a Pentium M and a 6600) is prolly better off than the 4,000 dollar laptops I was referring to. Those are gamer gear, the toshiba I'd buy would be a casual user machine that I could live with, providing I was willing to buy prebuilt. As for my 900 dollar laptop:

Hewlett Packard Ze4630Us. It was 1100 in store with ass loads of rebates. it boiled down to about 950 or 850 or so. I can't recall.

Anyway, enough of this. I'm tired of name calling, I got mad and launched some stuff at you (though some but not all was accurate), and it doesn't need to go on anymore. GUI's are nice, but as I've said before, GUI's tend to second guess the user, as is thier job. A crap GUI it'd be too, it's a shame they aren't so easy to implement. And you know what, i was able to do all that configuring and have my system up and running exactly teh way I wanted it. It's really not that hard...

But I agree, usability needs to increase. That will come in time. Such projects are under way. I do not however, beleive that a single binary distrobution needs to happen. I like using gentoo for many reasons, and one of them is knowing that I can hack my packages right from teh start before I install them, if I need to and had teh skill to do so.

I am sorry for being a dick, but you know what, I'm gonna still love gentoo, love my community, and represent everything gentoo is: -funroll-loops YO! (I've never used that flag, surprsingly, I prefer to remain on the stable side of things)

Oh, one more thing. Some part of it is scarring, the manual configuration. Some of us prefer to do it so we know EXACTLY what is happening 100% of the time. That's a comfort to me, I know and I don't doubt a large portion of the community as well.

As for testing your distros, it can be easy to assume that gentoo brings out it's best in it's packaging system. With compiling and optimizing each package, it gets easier and easier to do it granted you do it with certain features. Anywho, I'm done. GUI's are nice, but some of us like to do things manually. Us being a GREAT BIG portion of the linux using community. In fact, I wonder who has the biggest linux market. I know gentoo is up there...

I should be ashamed of myself.

This post was edited by Aynjell on Jul 14, 2005.

Np.

Us being a GREAT BIG portion of the linux using community. In fact, I wonder who has the biggest linux market.

Pretty sure it's redhat. That's why they end up being the standard. Everybody plays follow the leader.

"Nurture your mind with great thoughts, for you will never go any higher than you think."

In fact, I'd daresay all the commercial distrobutions are ahead of the pack simply because they have a commercial (trustable by consumers) face and charge for thier product. Of the free distrobutions (which I prefer), I'd say gentoo is at least 2nd. I can see something like ubuntu having a strong following, but it wasn't for me.

I should be ashamed of myself.