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Hmm... let's take a minute and quote Bunk, shall we? Always fun to do...

... ouch. Head on collision of idea trains. If I may make a suggestion, don't let this get out of hand. Debates on this subject always seem to get heated beyond recognition

Well, would you look at that. My oh my. Excuse me folks, I'm going to run off and join the circus now, I'll be their new psychic. :/

Kudos to w0lf for being the only person to use the word 'compromise' in this entire topic. I guess there's just some kind of natural draw to extremism. I've felt it. There's a certain romance to total conviction and exclusion, and it's very powerful.

And I guess that's the way life works sometimes. In order to be connected with some people you must be disconnected from others. But in the end, it will seem pointless to have fought.

"History is more or less bunk." - Henry Ford

If you go join the circus as a 'psychic'... can I be the resident contortionist? I am so working on being able to do a backbend, and then stick my head between my legs.

Yes, you called it...Phil. For sure. Sorry we didn't notice it.

I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

*snorts* Wait. I've never tried that. You're too funny.

My mind is made up...not like my bed, which is a mess.

This post was edited by rosyxxx on Jul 29, 2005.

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I should be ashamed of myself.

Ah, fuck it. Since I'm the bad guy, I'll leave. Seeya'.

We were ALL being bad guys, not the least of which was myself. Here...read this for shits and grins, and this for another apology from me to you. Merry Christmas. Early. From one pain in the butt to another... I like you alot James!!!!

I am so working on being able to do a backbend, and then stick my head between my legs.

That's code for saying I've been trying to stick my head up my ass, with only relative success. Which is a good thing.

Be my friend again please? If you act now, you can join the circus with me, and we can swing on the flying trapeze or I'll stick my head in the lion's mouth while you dance in a tutu. It's a joke, James...please laugh. Pretty please? With sugar on top? And a cherry? Chocolate syrup? And one of those little Italian cookies... what are they: Piroullines? Can't remember...but anyway...Pretty please? No more talking about the past until at least a month or two has gone by...'kay?

At the risk of sounding like a 'complete and utter nut', may I say that, astrologically speaking, Mercury went into retrograde last Friday...for three weeks. Notoriously a bad time for communication. I knew this. The cops know it, just like they know to be leery on Full Moons cause most drive-by shootings, and domestic disputes occur on or around Full Moons. Too much energy causes confusion.

Boy, aren't we supposed to eat the 'crab cakes' instead of, mash ourselves in the mix? You and I are like crabs boiling in the pot. We keep pulling each other in. I don't wanta be crabby anymore...so grab my claw, and I'll pull you out with me! I think it's time for you to bring home some crab cakes from dining out with your Dad, null to go get some kebabs from the kebab stand (just cause he saved me from being even more of a royal asshat to you...), and me to order pizza... and all get on here... smoke a joint, and kick back and watch the world go by...

Sound like a plan? (please check box for yes.)

Or if you don't want to be friends for now, let's just agree not to be enemies...or something like that.

My mind is made up...not like my bed, which is a mess.

This post was edited by rosyxxx on Jul 29, 2005.

I'll be rational boy, capable of great feats of rationalism in times of great chaos. *proves his logical thinking by showing no facial expressions whatsoever*

My thoughts on the subject of gays are this. Just like any argument, there has to be a solid hypothesis based on solid facts. For example, All brown-haired men are ill-tempered. John has brown hair. John is ill-tempered. Whether the facts are true or not is the debate, not the claim.

Now, as I see it, the claim for gays being evil and ugly and stupid is there, but it lacks the necessary facts.

The only facts I've heard are that the body parts don't match and that it isn't "normal" (which can be proven false, if by normal, you mean that all other animals do not show homosexual behavior).

If you want to hear my opinion, I think it is purely centered around hatred that you feel this way. Sometimes, the feelings come before the facts. In other words, you try to find the facts to fit your feelings, which implies there doesn't have to be reason to feel that way. The reasons come second to feelings. I think this is only human, and unfortunately, I feel that most people on this planet argue with their feelings before the facts.

However, I respect you Aynjell. I know you understand where I'm coming from, and I hope you'll see where I'm getting at. Either you find a perfectly legitimate reason why you hate a percentage of the population discriminated by birth alone, or you reconsider your views. I've spent many years of my life doing just this for my point of views. I've found many of the things I believed in were centered around feelings, not facts. Once you understand the facts, then you begin to question why you feel that way and if perhaps you are on the wrong side of the fence afterall. It is the difficult path to take, Aynjell, but I believe it will make all the difference.

If the world should blow itself up,the last audible voice would be an expert saying it can't be done

I just found this and read my way through it...
I have a couple of things to say:
First, I want to join the circus. I really really do.
Compared to how weird real life can get the circus would be a normal change of pace.

Second, opinions are like belly buttons, and unless a person has theirs removed, we all got one.
I'm of a mind that each decision we make we make. No one else but us has the final say.
And that goes for how we feel about anything.
As I read what was written it reminded me a bit of the butter battle book, by Dr. Seuss.
Wars go on, and are started by people who don't agree, but who can never get to the point where they agree to disagree.
I'm glad to see that at least Rosy got to that point of lets put this away and be friends again part.
I don't know if Anjell did or not, he deleted his posts.

You guys have been friends for a long time. That's something that dosn't happen every day.
In this world of diametricly opposed groups of people who can't seem to understand that underneath it all we're all pretty much the same, bones, brain, heart, blood, that kind of thing,
it's hard to read long threads where it seems more like a war is going on in a place that is safe to say how and what you feel about things.

I really really hope that you guys got things worked out, and can go on to enjoy a life long friendship.
Anything less would be a loss from my perspective.

Back to the circus thing...I want to be the wandering minstral playing badly on a harmonica ok?

This post was edited by harold_maude on Sep 02, 2005.

:) *smiles* waves*
Hi Orchid. I gave your post a great rating, and I'm happy to admit it.
It's not cause I personally agree with your view point, cause i'm gay, and I'd like to have the option to have a family with another man if I choose.
I think that you spoke from your heart. That's exactly the way I write about The Church...I think that anyone that knows me will remember that. So I have to respect you for saying your feelings.

But I have to think, in the political climate of today, where all of us citizens are losing our rights and freedoms, it's important for all people, whatever your personal beliefs, or proclivities to speak up for our rights.
I don't know if there's any kind of "gay agenda" other than, hey I'm human, and I deserve to have dignity, and a "regular" life, like other humans.
Take my case, I work at a shitty job, but my partner has a good job. His insurance doesn't recognise domestic partners, mine does.
I think if all insurance companies recognized domestic partners, I personally wouldn't care about the marriage issue. It's simply about staying healthy, and happy the best I can. Maybe I'd like a permanent relationship with a man, or maybe a woman. I don't know; I do know that at this point in my relationship with the person I live with, I think it's definitely time to live without one.

Once Fred Neitszche declared God is Dead, f*ck became the most important word in the English languag

I support gay marriage 100%. But I think gay marriage acts are among the stupidest contrivances humanity has managed to create.

Can someone please inform me what two consenting adults choose to do in their bedroom is anybody else's business? Can someone explain to me why it should be the government's business? Can someone explain to me why if I decide to enter into a bond with another through whatever my religious institution may be, it should be the government's business?

Government regulation of marriage and registering of marriage with the state seems downright stupid to me. The government has no vested interest in keeping track of it. The only possible justification I can think of is tax breaks. Just give them to people raising children instead, whether the guardians are their biological parents, homosexuals that adopted them, or the tooth fairy. Giving a tax break to somebody trying to raise a child makes sense; giving one to two people because they decide they like each other is stupid.

And to Aynjell if he is still listening: your gentoo box would not exist without Alan Turing, a homosexual. He created the concept of a general computing machine, a turing machine, and was by all accounts a genius. It would've been interesting to see what else he could have contributed in his lifetime, but under British law at the time it was illegal to be homosexual, so they injected him with Estrogen to make him permanently impotent. His favorite childhood story was Sleeping Beauty. The estrogen caused him to grow breasts. He ate a poisoned apple to finally kill himself. How natural is that?

"Nurture your mind with great thoughts, for you will never go any higher than you think."

This post was edited by Tetrazome on Aug 06, 2005.

The questions are excellent. I read an op ed piece in our local paper that was written by a lawyer, or counsellor.
In it he states that marriages and civil unions are two separate animals. The civil union is a legal contract that states that these two individuals are legally married under state law. A "marriage" that is performed at the town hall is in fact a civil union.

A marriage is a different proposition. It is the church sanctioned ceremony. One still has to go to the court and get the certificate; that act, in essence is the legally binding document. The wedding still requires the civil union ceremony to validate it.

So, in essence, while one form of union is legal, the other isn't. It still requires the commission of the legal act of the "piece of paper."

Fertility rites and such things have long been the provance of Whatever Church the tribe, or group, or society believed in. As such, the marriage has always been about "fertility" and fecundity, and, well, economics. King A married his daughter to King B's son. We share our lands, and may the Gods bless us.
Other societies, many the world over still have dowries; gifts the bridge gives the groom's family. Or else there is the arranged marriage.
Other cultures also have polygamy, or harems. To me, that nearly seems "god-inspired" in an effort to cause his childrens to "be fruitful and multiply."

For good, bad or otherwise, marriage the world over, traditionally has been for the purpose of procreation, or for economic means. Traditionally, marriage is a utilitarian affair.

But let's also check the balance sheet. In said other cultures, where things are pre-determined, or pre-defined, and "romance", or "love", or, heck, choice, is taken from the equation, the husbands, and of course wives, are frequently allowed to have mistresses. There's stories of wives and mistresses getting together, and meeting.
Additionally, alongside the mistress, we find in these societies other types of clubs, or gymnasiums in the interests of conducting sexual business with other men. And that's the way it should be.

I truly have a problem with the concept of "marriage" as it is applied in the United States. It should be abolished. Among other reasons, it's turned into an industry. Frankly, that is offensive, and disgusting. Women buy into this whole concept of the propaganda set forth by the Industrio-Marriage Complex.
There is no legitimate reason why the governemtn should step in to our personal lives...other than to further prove the fact that we are becoming increasingly suppressed by a totalitarian dictatorship, led by King Fucking Gearge Bush.

Traditionally, in these other, more enlightened cultures, the government has a "eyes off" policy regarding the bedroom. It's the domain of the clergy, as it should be. As it should be here.
Marriage is an institution that's been around for a long time. We newcomers have adopted it to fit our "free" capitalistic society, but we find that that paradigm is no longer sustainable. The marriage myth is crumbling around us, due to the weight of reality.

If the breeders want to keep their decayed, decrepit, relic of vassalship when women were treated as cattle and little better than slaves; I say let the breeders have there marriage ceremony. I prefer to have actual rights, and be recognized by The State. And in the end, isn't that what we're all looking for, recognition?

Once Fred Neitszche declared God is Dead, f*ck became the most important word in the English languag

Have to say again though -- why are civil unions, marriages, whatever, any of the governments business? If two individuals bond together whether out of love or to procreate or both I don't see why the whitehouse or whatever your local government entity happens to be should get involved. Except maybe, tax breaks, and I already stated a viable alternative to that.

If you're gay, and you want to be married, go find some witnesses and someone willing to give you a ceremony. You don't need the state for validation of your love so you certainly shouldn't wait for the state to validate it. But do keep fighting bonehead prejudice laws.

And a word of warning -- stating that marriage 'should be abolished' is just the sort of thing that will get someone who was about to agree with you to turn away. Just because marriage has become an industry and because some women have bought into an image of what it is, doesn't mean that EVERYONE is so fooled, and there are I think many meaningful, loving, two person, one male one female relationships out there. There are also many that aren't, and that's why we have a 50% divorce rate in the US. But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

"Nurture your mind with great thoughts, for you will never go any higher than you think."

This post was edited by Tetrazome on Aug 07, 2005.