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Jul 12, 2002 01:42 # 4139

Hawkeye *** wants to know...

Is teleportation possible?

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Teleportation article
This site is about an article of several people actually accomplishing teleportation, but not exactly as we think. They scanned the atoms and put it elsewhere. While the new components of the atoms are being assembled, the old atom components are destroyed.

This is may not be teleportation in the typical sense. Is teleportation possible where atoms are physically transformed into pure energy and back to matter again? There are many theories to suggest that matter is just solidified energy (among which are e=mc^2). Would we be able to do the star trek "beam me up, Scotty" thing? First, not only would teleportation have to be possible, but living tissue would have to stay alive after being destroyed and recreated. So why or why wouldn't this be possible?

I'm curious as to your thoughts.

If the world should blow itself up,the last audible voice would be an expert saying it can't be done

This post was edited by Hawkeye on Jul 12, 2002.

Jul 12, 2002 04:38 # 4140

Cybernetsam * replies...

Re: Is teleportation possible?

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Well, I beleive changing a person and back again would have the effect of destroying the original. So what comes out the other end would just be a duplicate that thinks he/she is the original.
And that's if we can figure out a way to do that. A star trek type teleportation device isn't possible, I don't think, because of the exactness needed in the copying of the matter. I mean, if you throw a few atoms off, you could transform a person into an atomic bomb mid-transport ^^.
So if it is indeed possible, you not only would need a reception area to reconstruct the matter, but you also need a departure device to copy/transmit the data. All of this would require a tremendous amount of energy. And the farther you move the matter in the transport, the more energy is lost. So if you happen to find solutions to all these other problems, you still have a definite limit for range.

So, short answer, probably not.

!sdrawkcab si erutangis yM

Jun 19, 2009 22:35 # 46384

BabyOxide * replies...

Re: Is teleportation possible?

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If i actually understood what you meant, i agree...

What they have manage to do now with light or photons is
1)secure an object
2)read the object
3)destroy the object
4)transport the data
5)recreate the object

if we were looking at that object, it would be exactly the same
if the object were to look at itself (new self) it would be the same

however, should the object (old) be alive or still existing, it would see that the new object is like it, but its not it...

It would always be creating a new entity at the destination, supposedly each entity is new and the old entity is gone, is like dying and coming back to life in a new body, with the same brain and body but different "soul"/"mind"/consious, eg: Its feels and looks like you but its definitely not you. Someone else is living ur life now... (When it returns, the same thing occurs and a 3rd you is created) just like how data is transported conventionally thru the internet from one place to another and still have the exact same information...

Still, if ever possible, you could transport a person over, but that person wont be the orignal person and the orignal person will forever be dead / gone

star-treks teleporting suggest using such technology of breaking down you and transporting you over the air to the destination, supposedly you are still you, (since where is no recepticle at the other end of the teleport) eg: You simply materialize from thin air with your own "atoms" that somehow manages to pass through thousands of miles...

Other movies such as jumper, suggest using a rift for travel, instant transition between two points, using the same entity without ever being destroyed and recreated, thus the you here and later there is still the same you...

Jun 26, 2009 19:58 # 46398

Hawkeye *** replies...

Re: Is teleportation possible?

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Well I think it's easy to view both methods ("beam me up scotty" transportation vs rift/portal teleportation) as science fiction and completely unrealistic, though if you think about it for a second, bridging two positions in space and walking through that bridge seems far more possible than breaking down an object (much less a living object) piece by piece and reassembling it at its destination.

Plus there's the fact that physically reassembling objects using materials given to you at your destination implies you could do so more than once. How can you possibly be yourself at the end if the essence of your being can be constructed like a car at a automobile manufacturing plant? Sort of massacres the concept of the soul, doesn't it? Not saying it's not possible, but lets just say I'd view it as a very efficient clone machine rather than a teleportation device, and you'd never see me using it.

If the world should blow itself up,the last audible voice would be an expert saying it can't be done

Jul 12, 2002 06:07 # 4141

gentledeepwaters *** replies...

Re: Is teleportation possible?

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hmmmm read both.........I think we will eventually.....they have teleported a beam of light...granted....with the technology we have today.....not remotely possible really to even get close to the teleportation of something remotely sophisticated.

And those little quarks.....puzzles......but getting closer every day....

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Jul 12, 2002 15:50 # 4145

ReallyCoolDude *** throws in his two cents...

Re: Is teleportation possible?

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The most suspenseful thing that exists in nature is life. Scientists still wonder what is life and how is it formed. Unless we know the answers to these, teleportation would still remain a remote possibility. But, of course as soon as we have figured out the difference between organic and non-organic susbstances formed by the same composition of elements, teleportation might become a reality. But, still, to teleport a human we are very very far away. If scientists can achieve it for small forms of life it will be a very big achievement.

The logic behind teleportation is to re-create an object at some other place, and destroying the original. Scientists believe that since everything is composed of particles, hence these particles can be recreated anywhere if the right composition is known. Well, we are still 100s of years away from knowing the full composition of a particular human being. And, then there are many mysteries still to be unraveled regarding a human being. We still don't know much about a human brain for example.

So, in short, teleportation is a possibility provided we get to solve some of the mysteries of nature, but still a very remote possibility for a human teleportation.

Love is blind, but marriage is a real eye opener.

Jul 12, 2002 16:44 # 4147

Cybernetsam * replies...

Re: Is teleportation possible?

For teleportation to be possible, I think we will need to solve the uncertainty principle, which is a nasty little bit of quantum mechanics that states that both the position and velocity of a particle cannot be measured at the same time with any great deal of accuracy. Quite a few people believe that this cannot be solved, meaning that the movement of certain particles at very small levels will always be impossible to predict. I'm not a physicist though, so I'm probably just spouting off random bits of misinformation.

(Sigh) Damnit Hawkeye, now I have to look into this or it's going to bug me. I swear, always causing me trouble :P

!sdrawkcab si erutangis yM

Jul 12, 2002 16:47 # 4148

Hawkeye *** replies...

Death by telefrag

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Well, teleportation wouldn't have to be of life forms. We may find that destroying and recreating life may, in fact, kill the life forms. Even more bizarre is the scenario that if a man teleports somewhere, he is physically KILLED in the spot he starts from and another human being with the exact components is reassembled elsewhere with the same memories he had up until he was killed.

So, in fact, when you teleport, you are just cloning yourself using your old self for the materials needed. That's a crazy concept isn't it? Everybody in the world may say that teleportation is fine, it is safe, but the second you walk in the teleporter, you are at heaven's gates wondering what the heck happened. What might have happened is that you died, and a copy of you lived on earth.

If the world should blow itself up,the last audible voice would be an expert saying it can't be done

This post was edited by Hawkeye on Jul 12, 2002.

Jul 15, 2002 12:36 # 4216

Jaz *** replies...

Re: Death by telefrag

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That's exactly what's disturbing me so much. You enter the telepad and die. For everyone else it will seem like you live on, but for yourself it is nothing but suicide. I've yet to hear any reason why your soul should magically move to its newly reconstructed "container". Assuming that there is such a thing as a soul in the first place of course.

Strangely I'm just reading Crichton's Timeline which centers around exactly this topic of "teleportation = destruction + reconstruction". It's a great read, give it a try if you want to hear even more thought provoking twists on that matter.

'Yeah, That's what Jesus would do. Jesus would bomb Afghanistan. Yeah.' - snowlion

This post was edited by Jaz on Jul 15, 2002.

Jul 16, 2002 03:15 # 4230

Hawkeye *** replies...

Re: Death by telefrag

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I actually read that! Cool book. Crichton basically said that time travel isn't possible, however, there are many parallel universes existing simultaneously with our own. Some of them still exist in the past? Isn't that how it was?

Anyway, they shrink you down so you can fit through some wormhole and you reappear on the other side. Things kinda went awry though when they did. Interesting book.

And yeah, if teleportation is ever invented, don't use it. Not to sound like some superstitious ninny, but I, for one, am not going travel like that even if it becomes the alternative to airplane flying.

Speaking of which, I imagine every transportation business would pay handsomely to keep that invention hush hush. :)
Kinda makes you wonder if someone invented it already, doesn't it?

If the world should blow itself up,the last audible voice would be an expert saying it can't be done

Jul 16, 2002 07:36 # 4237

Jaz *** replies...

Re: Death by telefrag

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Crichton basically said that time travel isn't possible, however, there are many parallel universes existing simultaneously with our own. Some of them still exist in the past? Isn't that how it was?

Yes, he said that there are a quadrizillion of different universes, covering all possibilities fate could have taken. So in one world Hitler won, in one world he didn't. In one world you chose Cornflakes for breakfast, in one world you reached for Cheerios. And when two universes are very similiar to each other, they sometimes interact.

Anyway, they shrink you down so you can fit through some wormhole and you reappear on the other side.

He describes the method like sending a Fax - you step on the platform, every single atom of your body gets scanned, the data is compressed and sent through the wormhole. Then you get reconstructed at the other end.

ONLY THAT THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO RECONSTRUCT SOMEONE AT THE OTHER END

This part was so cool I almost wet my pants. They don't know how to reconstruct people at the other end. It just happens.

So when you enter the pad and arrive at the other universe, it's actually not you who arrives. It's a version of you from another universe. In a universe almost identically to ours, with the single differnece that they know how to reconstruct.

Damn I just wet my pants.

'Yeah, That's what Jesus would do. Jesus would bomb Afghanistan. Yeah.' - snowlion

Jul 16, 2002 15:48 # 4246

Hawkeye *** replies...

Re: Death by telefrag

What do you mean that the other universe knows how to reconstruct? The one they transferred to was in medieval times, and probably had no idea about teleporting whatsoever.

I personally liked the idea of a "laser gun" in congo. The magnitude of the laser has to be so intense to reach the satelite that it could literally burn through most anything. With the diamond, it was focused like a prism and so the magnitude was just that much more intense over a smaller area.

If the world should blow itself up,the last audible voice would be an expert saying it can't be done

Jul 17, 2002 10:54 # 4255

Jaz *** replies...

Re: Death by telefrag

What do you mean that the other universe knows how to reconstruct? The one they transferred to was in medieval times, and probably had no idea about teleporting whatsoever.

Ah no. They ("present") destroy a person to transmit it to another universe ("past") and reconstruct it there (through the wormhole). But our present doesn't know how to reconstruct. People from our present never arrive in the past. They are destroyed here, true, but the person who actually arrives on the other side is coming from another "present". A present that is identical to ours, only that in the other present, they know how to reconstitute a person in the past.

'Yeah, That's what Jesus would do. Jesus would bomb Afghanistan. Yeah.' - snowlion

Jul 20, 2002 04:01 # 4300

Hawkeye *** replies...

Re: Death by telefrag

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That's crazy. That boggles the mind. It is sort of like saying that if you decided to make it your life's work to create a time machine, then you suddenly see an older version show up at your door saying that you were succesful, then that means all your work paid off. It is immediate gratification. In this way, anybody can know if it is possible for them to build a time machine based on the fact that they saw the evidence before it was even conceived of before.

If the world should blow itself up,the last audible voice would be an expert saying it can't be done

This post was edited by Hawkeye on Jul 20, 2002.

Jul 22, 2002 06:26 # 4314

Jaz *** replies...

Re: Death by telefrag

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Many sceptics of time travel bring up this point: The proof that time travel isn't possible is that we just don't see any time travellers popping out of nowhere all the time.

This is a problem I also have with the multiverse idea (every decision splits up the universe into two alternate dimensions). If there's really one universe for each and every possibility, there should be an infinite number of universes where people are capable of travelling into other, our universe.

Maybe a bit too much kitchen physics...

'Yeah, That's what Jesus would do. Jesus would bomb Afghanistan. Yeah.' - snowlion

Jul 22, 2002 15:34 # 4319

Cybernetsam * replies...

Re: Death by telefrag

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I never really agree with said skeptics, as I believe that in order to travel along time, you need to "pierce" it at both ends of the travelled distance. That is, both the departure and the destination point must be prepared for the travel, most likely using some complex apparatus of some sort at either end.

!sdrawkcab si erutangis yM

Jul 22, 2002 15:34 # 4320

ReallyCoolDude *** throws in his two cents...

Time Travel: Reality Check

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I somehow feel that there is no way one can travel into the past. But, there might be a way to travel into the future.

My belief is based on Einstein's special theory of relativity where one of the twins goes into space and returns after spending 2 years in space, while on earth 80 years have been passed, thus in a way he has travelled into the future. I find Einstein's explanations pretty interesting, and believe that time travel might be possible one day when humans learn to travel at speeds comparable to the speed of light. But whenever they do so, it will still not be possible for anyone to go back to the past, but they can definitely go into the future.

Is that the reason why we don't see any time travelers popping up in our era?

As Martin said we are still at the infancy level of the scientific knowledge, and there are a lot of mysteries still to be solved, I am sure there might be a good reason why even if the multiple universe theory is correct, why haven't we seen any time travelers, maybe even if there are multiple universes, the time travelers can only travel into a future of a different universe, but never into the past!

Love is blind, but marriage is a real eye opener.

Jul 22, 2002 17:08 # 4323

Jaz *** replies...

Re: Time Travel: Reality Check

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Of course this would work without hurting any laws of physics, but what you suggest isn't really travelling into the future, rather "waiting" for it. I believe the general term 'time travel' implies a back ticket, or at least a way into both directions.

'Yeah, That's what Jesus would do. Jesus would bomb Afghanistan. Yeah.' - snowlion

Jul 22, 2002 18:41 # 4327

ReallyCoolDude *** wants to know...

Ageing and Time Travel?

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Another interesting topic - I was wondering what is the relation between ageing and time travel. It just confused me even more!

I assume that the "waiting" period is still present when one uses the time machine, it's just that it's pretty less compared to the one which Einstein suggested (2 years for traveling 80 years). So, I assume that suppose a person takes x seconds to travel into the future. So, what happens to the person while he is traveling across time? Does he age during that time? If yes, does he age older when is going to the future, or does he start ageing backwards if he is going into the past? Or, during those x seconds he does not age at all?

I am sure that if one says that it's instantaneous travel, well, the only way one can achieve that is teleportation, but even for that, to transfer the information to the other universe, one has to "send" information to the other universe about the composition of the person in one universe, which will also take some time. And, while someone is creating a different form at the other end, what is happening to the ageing process? Is the new form which is created at the other end has the same age as was at the time the information was sent to the other universe? If this is possible, then don't we know a way to counter-effect the ageing process, just keep teleporting yourself back and forth and you will never age older, OR, just "store" your composition at the age of 20, and then when you are 40 years old, just teleport that "stored" composition to the same universe where you are residing, in a way destroying the 40 year old RCD, and creating a 20 year old RCD!

So, if we do believe that ageing does take place while one is traveling thru time or being teleported, does one age while traveling to the past and is it the same effect as going to the future?

Love is blind, but marriage is a real eye opener.

Jul 22, 2002 19:33 # 4332

Jaz *** replies...

Re: Ageing and Time Travel?

So, if we do believe that ageing does take place while one is traveling thru time or being teleported, does one age while traveling to the past and is it the same effect as going to the future?

I don't think we can apply these thoughts to trips into the past. After all you can't wait for past to arrive.

'Yeah, That's what Jesus would do. Jesus would bomb Afghanistan. Yeah.' - snowlion

Jul 22, 2002 19:40 # 4334

ReallyCoolDude *** replies...

Re: Ageing and Time Travel?

I don't think we can apply these thoughts to trips into the past. After all you can't wait for past to arrive.

That's exactly my point! If one does age while traveling thru time, then there is no way one can travel into the past, and can only travel into the future. OTOH, if one does not age, then the only way one can do so is by teleporting, and if one is teleporting, then it is not you who is arriving into the past or the future, but it is your clone.

So, in theory, either you can travel to the future, or you can die, and let some clone of yours travel to the past! Alternatively, if you wish to save the "waiting period" involved in the time travel, then you can die, and let some clone of yours travel to the future.

Just a thought!

Love is blind, but marriage is a real eye opener.

Jul 22, 2002 22:58 # 4341

Hawkeye *** has all the information you need...

Re: Ageing and Time Travel?

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Well, as insomniac's Dave Matel (I think I spelled his name right) said, "To get places, you can do one of two things. You could A) take a cab or some other form of transportation, or B) do what I do and 'time travel.'" ("time travel" referred to him drinking)

Einstein created space-time theory, which basically means that space and time are not constant in the universe. Time goes faster/slower in some parts of the universe in this theory of his (which seems to have some relation to speeds relative to the speed of light). So, theoretically, he is correct. One of two twins can get on a spaceship and age slower/faster than the twin on earth.

I think what people tend to forget is that we ourselves are moving incredibly fast through the universe. Relative to the speed of light, I can't say how fast we are moving, but I can say that with respect to some objects moving away from us at incredibly fast speeds, we seem to be aging much faster.

As for going the speed of light, not to burst anyone's bubble, but it isn't possible. Even if it were, you'd physically BE light to be going that fast. But, I imagine there are ways of getting awfully close to the speed of light. I've heard of a new design by NASA where a gigantic reflective parachute is pushed by light from the sun. It would be slow at first, but the potential to go fast is just short of the speed of light itself. I don't know if NASA has any plans to use this design, but it looks pretty cool. "Warp seven. Engage!"

If the world should blow itself up,the last audible voice would be an expert saying it can't be done

This post was edited by Hawkeye on Jul 22, 2002.

Jul 22, 2002 23:16 # 4344

Cybernetsam * has an idea...

Re: Ageing and Time Travel?

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Here is food for thought: Suppose some method of time travel DOES become possible. However, while you can move through time, you do not move through space. So if you stepped into a portal taking you into the future, you would simply come out where the portal used to be. Even if you carried some of the movement energy of the earth with you, you would just fly off in a straight line, whilst the earth continued orbiting the sun.
So in order to travel through time, we need some method of also moving a great distance as the same time, in order to keep up with the earth's future position. Of course, intense calculations would have to be made, and even so, we could only make said calculations in relation to our own solar system. So this alone makes surviving time travel very improbable.

!sdrawkcab si erutangis yM

Jul 23, 2002 07:15 # 4348

Jaz *** replies...

Re: Ageing and Time Travel?

Food for food for thought: So we have to pop out at the "same" position where we stepped in. But "same position" relative to what? You brought up the point that the Earth goes on orbiting. But so does our solar system, our galaxy, et cetera.

'Yeah, That's what Jesus would do. Jesus would bomb Afghanistan. Yeah.' - snowlion

Jul 23, 2002 15:32 # 4367

ReallyCoolDude *** replies...

Time Travel and Teleportation Reality Check

[RCD Sums Up]

After all these discussions it seems to me that neither Time Travel nor Teleportation is possible due to the following reasons:-

0. Time Travel:- One has to predict the space and time of the destination, sounds more like the uncertainity principle to me, hence if one can not predict both at a particular time, one can not arrive at the destination.

1. Teleportation:- One has to die, and be re-incranated at the destination, so in effect one is not being teleported but a clone is being generated on-the-fly, and you die in the process.

So, with the current knowledge that we have, time travel and teleportation do not seem to be a distant possibility, but seem impossible to me! So, I guess we have to wait for some major break-through in science to make these things look possible.

[/RCD Sums Up] <-- Maybe another "post type" that we need :)

Love is blind, but marriage is a real eye opener.

Nov 01, 2008 00:46 # 46093

The_Time_Traveler * replies...

Re: Time Travel and Teleportation Reality Check

This is very possible to teleport or time jumpingWe're not going to reconstruct our matter
But we shortened the nature matter
We open a wormhole
We create a shortcut to the other place
Then we're moving trought inside the hole to jump over the time or teleporting
I agree that we're gonna die if we construct our matter because it feels like we're taking a nuclear bomb, so it's impossible to reconstruct our body
HOWEVER if we reconstruct the nature matter, we'll be still alive

Why do i say it? BECAUSE I met with my future
It's okay if you think that I'm crazy or something, but believe it or not I WILL FIND HOW TO TRAVEL THE TIME

It's okay if nobody believe me, but trust it
Someday I'll gonna travel through the time

Nov 03, 2008 04:03 # 46097

majic *** replies...

Re: Time Travel and Teleportation Reality Check

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I'm pushing the envelope here but I have been looking into the works of David Sereda. He's an absolutely brilliant ufologist that has been studying anti-gravity/ufo's for over 20 years. He has studied NASA videos that clearly show UFO's and he did an interview with Dan Aykroyd that is very down to earth.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8993422112864357113&hl=en

I've thoroughly enjoyed this interview because it was extremely believable in that Dan Aykroyd is very wholesome and has a certain quality about him that makes what he says very credible.

I'd like to hear your opinions on this.

Nov 25, 2008 12:39 # 46127

oKtosiTe * is getting sarcastic...

Re: Time Travel and Teleportation Reality Check

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Traveling through time is very simple; I do it all the time.
Forward, mostly.

Or is it?

Dec 06, 2008 08:31 # 46140

majic *** has all the information you need...

Re: Is teleportation possible?

You should watch the video's on Google in which David Sereda analyzes some Nasa footage that apparently has some objects in it that give all indications that they are UFO and they seem to blink in and out (teleporting perhaps). I can't do it justice here, you just have to watch it to appreciate the craziness of that Nasa footage and his narration. Absolutely brilliant stuff. David Sereda is a mastermind on this stuff.

He also has a video interview with Dan Akroyd which is seriously entertaining.

Video's are easily found on Google and YouTube.

This post was edited by majic on Dec 06, 2008.


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