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Teleportation article
This site is about an article of several people actually accomplishing teleportation, but not exactly as we think. They scanned the atoms and put it elsewhere. While the new components of the atoms are being assembled, the old atom components are destroyed.

This is may not be teleportation in the typical sense. Is teleportation possible where atoms are physically transformed into pure energy and back to matter again? There are many theories to suggest that matter is just solidified energy (among which are e=mc^2). Would we be able to do the star trek "beam me up, Scotty" thing? First, not only would teleportation have to be possible, but living tissue would have to stay alive after being destroyed and recreated. So why or why wouldn't this be possible?

I'm curious as to your thoughts.

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This post was edited by Hawkeye on Jul 12, 2002.

Well, I beleive changing a person and back again would have the effect of destroying the original. So what comes out the other end would just be a duplicate that thinks he/she is the original.
And that's if we can figure out a way to do that. A star trek type teleportation device isn't possible, I don't think, because of the exactness needed in the copying of the matter. I mean, if you throw a few atoms off, you could transform a person into an atomic bomb mid-transport ^^.
So if it is indeed possible, you not only would need a reception area to reconstruct the matter, but you also need a departure device to copy/transmit the data. All of this would require a tremendous amount of energy. And the farther you move the matter in the transport, the more energy is lost. So if you happen to find solutions to all these other problems, you still have a definite limit for range.

So, short answer, probably not.

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If i actually understood what you meant, i agree...

What they have manage to do now with light or photons is
1)secure an object
2)read the object
3)destroy the object
4)transport the data
5)recreate the object

if we were looking at that object, it would be exactly the same
if the object were to look at itself (new self) it would be the same

however, should the object (old) be alive or still existing, it would see that the new object is like it, but its not it...

It would always be creating a new entity at the destination, supposedly each entity is new and the old entity is gone, is like dying and coming back to life in a new body, with the same brain and body but different "soul"/"mind"/consious, eg: Its feels and looks like you but its definitely not you. Someone else is living ur life now... (When it returns, the same thing occurs and a 3rd you is created) just like how data is transported conventionally thru the internet from one place to another and still have the exact same information...

Still, if ever possible, you could transport a person over, but that person wont be the orignal person and the orignal person will forever be dead / gone

star-treks teleporting suggest using such technology of breaking down you and transporting you over the air to the destination, supposedly you are still you, (since where is no recepticle at the other end of the teleport) eg: You simply materialize from thin air with your own "atoms" that somehow manages to pass through thousands of miles...

Other movies such as jumper, suggest using a rift for travel, instant transition between two points, using the same entity without ever being destroyed and recreated, thus the you here and later there is still the same you...

Well I think it's easy to view both methods ("beam me up scotty" transportation vs rift/portal teleportation) as science fiction and completely unrealistic, though if you think about it for a second, bridging two positions in space and walking through that bridge seems far more possible than breaking down an object (much less a living object) piece by piece and reassembling it at its destination.

Plus there's the fact that physically reassembling objects using materials given to you at your destination implies you could do so more than once. How can you possibly be yourself at the end if the essence of your being can be constructed like a car at a automobile manufacturing plant? Sort of massacres the concept of the soul, doesn't it? Not saying it's not possible, but lets just say I'd view it as a very efficient clone machine rather than a teleportation device, and you'd never see me using it.

If the world should blow itself up,the last audible voice would be an expert saying it can't be done

hmmmm read both.........I think we will eventually.....they have teleported a beam of light...granted....with the technology we have today.....not remotely possible really to even get close to the teleportation of something remotely sophisticated.

And those little quarks.....puzzles......but getting closer every day....

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The most suspenseful thing that exists in nature is life. Scientists still wonder what is life and how is it formed. Unless we know the answers to these, teleportation would still remain a remote possibility. But, of course as soon as we have figured out the difference between organic and non-organic susbstances formed by the same composition of elements, teleportation might become a reality. But, still, to teleport a human we are very very far away. If scientists can achieve it for small forms of life it will be a very big achievement.

The logic behind teleportation is to re-create an object at some other place, and destroying the original. Scientists believe that since everything is composed of particles, hence these particles can be recreated anywhere if the right composition is known. Well, we are still 100s of years away from knowing the full composition of a particular human being. And, then there are many mysteries still to be unraveled regarding a human being. We still don't know much about a human brain for example.

So, in short, teleportation is a possibility provided we get to solve some of the mysteries of nature, but still a very remote possibility for a human teleportation.

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For teleportation to be possible, I think we will need to solve the uncertainty principle, which is a nasty little bit of quantum mechanics that states that both the position and velocity of a particle cannot be measured at the same time with any great deal of accuracy. Quite a few people believe that this cannot be solved, meaning that the movement of certain particles at very small levels will always be impossible to predict. I'm not a physicist though, so I'm probably just spouting off random bits of misinformation.

(Sigh) Damnit Hawkeye, now I have to look into this or it's going to bug me. I swear, always causing me trouble :P

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Well, teleportation wouldn't have to be of life forms. We may find that destroying and recreating life may, in fact, kill the life forms. Even more bizarre is the scenario that if a man teleports somewhere, he is physically KILLED in the spot he starts from and another human being with the exact components is reassembled elsewhere with the same memories he had up until he was killed.

So, in fact, when you teleport, you are just cloning yourself using your old self for the materials needed. That's a crazy concept isn't it? Everybody in the world may say that teleportation is fine, it is safe, but the second you walk in the teleporter, you are at heaven's gates wondering what the heck happened. What might have happened is that you died, and a copy of you lived on earth.

If the world should blow itself up,the last audible voice would be an expert saying it can't be done

This post was edited by Hawkeye on Jul 12, 2002.

That's exactly what's disturbing me so much. You enter the telepad and die. For everyone else it will seem like you live on, but for yourself it is nothing but suicide. I've yet to hear any reason why your soul should magically move to its newly reconstructed "container". Assuming that there is such a thing as a soul in the first place of course.

Strangely I'm just reading Crichton's Timeline which centers around exactly this topic of "teleportation = destruction + reconstruction". It's a great read, give it a try if you want to hear even more thought provoking twists on that matter.

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This post was edited by Jaz on Jul 15, 2002.

I actually read that! Cool book. Crichton basically said that time travel isn't possible, however, there are many parallel universes existing simultaneously with our own. Some of them still exist in the past? Isn't that how it was?

Anyway, they shrink you down so you can fit through some wormhole and you reappear on the other side. Things kinda went awry though when they did. Interesting book.

And yeah, if teleportation is ever invented, don't use it. Not to sound like some superstitious ninny, but I, for one, am not going travel like that even if it becomes the alternative to airplane flying.

Speaking of which, I imagine every transportation business would pay handsomely to keep that invention hush hush. :)
Kinda makes you wonder if someone invented it already, doesn't it?

If the world should blow itself up,the last audible voice would be an expert saying it can't be done