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Apr 02, 2006 22:05 # 42432

k9lionheart * posts about...

Do we need church service?

Hey everyone. I'm kinda new at this stuff, but I enjoy reading the forums, especially the ones that touch on religion. Got a general question for everyone. Do you believe that church services (or temple services or whatever your religious affiliation calls it)help increase or decrease ones personal spirituality? Just wondering what people thought.

Apr 03, 2006 04:43 # 42435

Hardballkid *** replies...

Re: Do we need church service?

The best way to acquire a reply is to state your opinion, opposed to just asking a question. Just for future reference, but Welcome to NAO.

Do to lack of time I will respond swiftly.

As for the question- Church attendance, in regards to increasing ones spirituality, varies completely by person. I'm coming from a Reformed Christian perspective- so a majority will disagree with me- but in less one is truly saved they can go to church as often as they wish & not benefit in the least bit (Rom 8:30). Church is only one- yet an important- aspect of spiritual growth. Look at it this way, 40% percent of Americans attend church weekly (high estimate) and yet America is more immoral than ever. The problem, as I see it, is due to the huge lack of Biblical teachings by so called 'christian' churchs. Church has turned into Sunday entertainment; completely un-filling the spiritual void in ones life- often increasing it.

To the point- it completely depends on the beliefs of the person, the foundation of the church and the workings of the holy spirit in their life.

Hosea 4:7

Now are ye undeceived! Welcome, again, my children, to the communion of your race!

Apr 03, 2006 05:26 # 42437

k9lionheart * agrees...

Re: Do we need church service?

Thanks Hardballkid I'll remember that next time. My personal opinion is somewhat similar to what you said. I agree, Church services have generally become a show, and not much more. I personally don't like going to some building and listening to some person talk for 30 minutes to an hour about his or her interpretation of the word. I believe that the Bible or any other sacred book is translated into English and other languages so that everyone can read it. Other then that, church just seems to be a buncha songs, shaking hands, and reciting prayers. The whole concept of church services just makes me suspicious. Why does God need to tell me his word through another person? And what makes this person so special as to tell everyone what he thinks the word means? Thanks again for responding to my post.

Apr 17, 2006 01:22 # 42552

Hardballkid *** wants to note...

Re: Do we need church service?

I agree, Church services have generally become a show, and not much more.

Well, thatís not exactly what I was implying. Many have lost their core value of Biblical teaching- Those being seeker-friendly and Emergent churches where the only passages spoke of is God's love and forgiveness. The whole Word of God is to be preached and not just what we want to hear.

I personally don't like going to some building and listening to some person talk for 30 minutes to an hour about his or her interpretation of the word.

The beauty of a Bible-believing church is that it's not the Pastor's 'interpretation' but in spirit and in truth of the spoken word. There is true worship and false worship which is alluded to in John 4. Throughout Scripture we are commanded by God to come into His presence. That's why we worship. It is an unbelievable privilege. And it is also a most sacred duty.

Fellowship is another reason why we are to attend church. To worship and be encouraged by fellow brother and sisters who recognize and believe in the living God. But the primary reason to be in church is to worship God. The pulpit is not a place for pop psychology, but a place where the Word of God is to be proclaimed- not the opinions of the pastor.

Now are ye undeceived! Welcome, again, my children, to the communion of your race!

Apr 12, 2006 22:47 # 42511

eljefe *** replies...

Re: Do we need church service?

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The way I see christianity is thus: Jesus spent his time tearing down the large established Jewish church, and taught as one on one as possible with parables.

Several key issues I see that the modern churches have missed.

Firstly: Large organized established churches are stifling in many more ways and are not condusive to religion as it is politics (I'm looking at you Catholic and to many extents the Methodist and Baptist churches... but Catholic moreso). Sure the large organized churches provide more resources, but at the cost of loosing sight of the main purpose.

Secondly and mainly: Jesus taught in parables. A parable is a story that can and has to be interpreted, for it is not telling you outright anything. There are very few thigns I know of for sure that Jesus taught specifically, the rest was in parable. So, my question is if Jesus left it up to us to interpret, why am I letting someone else tell me what/how to believe and be Christian? Granted there is the common, unquestionable common core, but the rest is up to us to absorb and interpret for ourselves. Hell this covers even my first point, so long as you came to this conclusion because YOU believe it to be so, not what someone else believes it to be so.

So really, are services vitally important to your growth spiritually? Depends on what you believe. I believe it depends on a personality. It doesn't help me because I see hype and I don't get swept up in hypes and I don't like to be told what is. I like to figure and do things for myself.

You may be different.

Fond memories

Apr 12, 2006 23:08 # 42512

k9lionheart * replies...

Re: Do we need church service?

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I know I will ruffle feathers with this one, but I personally believe that people who believe they have to go to church services every sunday (saturday, wendsday or whatever), are too lazy to figure out thier own beliefs, and simply just absorb someone elses. Generally someone who doesn't have a fear of public speaking. I'm just saying that the reason the Bible (and any other pieces of literature that one would consider Holy) is translated into english and many other different languages is so the individual himself can read it, and get out of it what he feels he should get out. I make an exception to this with the Catholics, simply because in thier service they not only hear the word and an interpretation of it, but they also recieve thier Eucharistic sacrament (and if you know anything about the Catholic faith you would know that they hold that aspect of thier belief in high regard). Other then that I honnestly don't see how listening to someone elses view on the scriptures increases your spirituality. In my opinion if one relys only on what his church service has to say about the scriptures then that individual looses the ability to use his own God given ability to reason for himself.

Apr 14, 2006 23:54 # 42531

charlie *** replies...

Re: Do we need church service?

I only took a few intro philosophy courses, but one thing I did learn in Philosophy class: define your terms. So since this is the Philosophy forum...

I think "spirituality" is the ability of a person to believe in and act on things beyond themselves. This works for all types of religions.

I think church services are more for social reasons than most people would like to admit. But in my definition of spirituality spending time spent with other people who believe in the same spirituality - and hearing their ideas and stories - may help mature the individual believer's spirituality.

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Apr 15, 2006 00:07 # 42533

charlie *** replies...

Re: Do we need church service?

Jesus spent his time tearing down the large established Jewish church,

Not to be contradictory, but Jesus said He came, "not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it"

About the only thing he did to tear down the Jewish church was that one time He overturned the moneychangers tables in the temple. And technically that was just merchants permited to sell on the temple grounds.

But yeah, the Jewish church did hate that He was teaching spirituality in a more personal and inviting way.

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