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Jun 08, 2006 20:02 # 42982

charlie *** is unsure about...

Equality on the Internet

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I recently received an email about "Keeping the Internet Equal" from a civil rights group. This issue has to do with the Domain Name Servers (DNS) that direct traffic on the internet. The largest of which, the root server, happens to be housed in the USA.

Congress is considering signing a bill that would allow communications companies to decide which traffic goes where and how fast. As a former IT worker I can understand the companies' desire to regulate traffic more throughly. This would probably increase the efficentcy and reliability of their networks.

However, this looks too much like more "big business" politics. Congress is doing a favor for yet another large corporation that has lined their pockets. One of the best things about the Internet is that it is relativly free and equal. If the two servers were the same size, and each was an equal distance away, a request for netalive.org should be met just as fast as a request for amazon.com.

In short, this would partition the internet into sections. There would be different access and access speeds depending on who the user and/or server is.

Charge all the money you want for servers, or wiring, or internet access, or software but this just looks like discrimination.

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Jun 08, 2006 20:59 # 42983

null throws in his two cents...

Re: Equality on the Internet

I've heard of that and am worried, too. Especially since the USA don't want to move any of the root servers to another country. The worst-case scenario is that somebody with a lot of money or power in the USA could at least partially shut the whole internet down - not to mention that when US government agencies spy on internet traffic, they catch a lot of foreign traffic as well. So much for freedom of information, huh?

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Jun 08, 2006 22:32 # 42984

charlie *** wants to know...

Re: Equality on the Internet

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I've heard rumors that the TCP/IP only works if there is one root server. I know every routing device has a default "I don't where this is" address in its routing table, but does that always lead to the US root server eventually? I guess the question is, would the Internet work reliably if there was more than one root server?

Personally, I'm not opposed to letting the root server be housed somewhere else. But there are some more "security" minded Americans who would disagree. This looks like an issue for the UN. It wouldn't be hard to have the UN house the server, maintain it, keep it physically secure, and keep authoritarian politicians away from it.

I think Americans pride themselves on the Internet too much. True, we did start ARPANET. But then again it was our Vice President, Al Gore, who claimed to have invented the Internet. :)

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Jun 09, 2006 07:23 # 42990

yoshi314 * replies...

Re: Equality on the Internet

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I'm not opposed to letting the root server be housed somewhere else.

well, i am. would you like to have china having that server? or russia/belarus/north korea/muslim countries? take a pick :D

personally i would prefer to make the thing more distributed. but i'm not an expert so i don't know how to implement such a thing.

It wouldn't be hard to have the UN house the server, maintain it, keep it physically secure, and keep authoritarian politicians away from it.

you have NO idea how hard would that be :]

i believe the matter was briefly discussed already, and us won't give that server away, no matter what.

i would opt for distributed alternative, so that every country has its server, and things missing on one server can be found on a different one (so that there is no chance for censorship). or something like that.

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Jun 10, 2006 15:12 # 43005

null has all the information you need...

Re: Equality on the Internet

I guess the question is, would the Internet work reliably if there was more than one root server?

Actually, there are already several dozen DNS root servers all over the world. (Officially there exist 13 root servers - A to M - but thanks to Anycast one root server can actually consist of many physical machines.)
The 'centralized' part is the database. The 'master database', i.e. the most current version of all the important stuff, is hosted on the A server and distributed to the other servers from there, and the A server is currently operated by VeriSign and located in the USA.

The other thing is IP address management. IP numbers are managed by US-based ARIN, which 'gives' parts of the address space to RIPE (Europe), APNIC (Asia Pacific), AfriNIC (Africa) and others. I'm not too familiar with the technical aspect, but I think ARIN could theoretically break an arbitrary number of things on any part of the 'net by changing routing tables and other important information.

So basically, if the USA really really wanted to, they could do a whole lot of bad stuff to the internet. Certainly more than any other country.

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Jul 06, 2006 13:27 # 43244

WASABI *** replies...

Re: Equality on the Internet

What if someone decides to setup a new root server, and the community goes on to support this?

I think in a worst-case scenario, that would be the way to go. After all, DNS root servers are configured on a per server basis. In fact, I could now eliminate from my db.root file all root servers in the US, and still be able to function properly (although, according to the comments in said file, only one is outside the US, in Japan).

:wq

Jun 10, 2006 21:44 # 43012

Jaz *** replies...

Re: Equality on the Internet

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Net Neutrality was found dead in Congress this morning.

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