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So your dad says you can say your sorry or get a whoopen/grounded whatever. Being selfish from your opinion would be to ask for forgivness. I dont get it. Especially if you are truely sorry.

I think threatening your child with "a whoopen" will not make them be truly sorry for not putting out the trash, having him/her understand why it needs to be taken out and why it is his/her task might.
As a non-believer I have nothing to fear.

Because you cant see God with your eyes "cant see gravity" doesnt mean He doesnt exist.

But I can see and feel gravity. Objects fall downwards.

There are millions of ways to see he exist, Scientist see it every day, and so do I.

Yet none can prove that he does.

When one is convinced of something, one is more likely to notice things that support ones conviction and it is easier to ignore evidence against it.

When your every move is monitored, you won't see me.

This post was edited by oKtosiTe on Sep 29, 2007.

Okay about the girlfriend/boyfriend thing. It was simply an example to portray the difference in thought process between two people and many persons. Not necessarily what the girl did was right, for in her mind they were broken up. They wouldnt get back together, she wanted to forget about it, she wanted to forget herself so she slept with another guy. It didn't even mean anything. But depending on the kind of people you would meet some would understand, and some wouldnt, again because of the thought process of each individual.

REmember reason is only an explanation or a justification for what you have done.

Everyones thought process is different.

And when the did this conversation become about the Almighty?

I fail to see how your answering the question really.

Can our reason and logic eventually find solutions for all the problems in the world... or better yet, can they at least save us from self-destruction?

If you believe that God has all the solution, and you're doing what good you can do in this life to ultimatly be with him. That would plain and simply be your choice. But it doesn't have to be anyone else.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you are putting God up as the ultimate reason. God is not the ultimate reason. He could be the reason for all the choices you make, but he isn't the yard stick by what everything is measured. Your answer seems more like a sermon than rather what is being asked.

I've read your post and still am reading your post to get the answer of where really is.

Everyone has their own choices to make in life, its the justification behind the choices that we call reason. The girl you talk about might turn to god because of the experiances she has had in life, thats where reason comes in as this in "this is the path I choose to take because I see a future there" she could very well turn to other things, for example continue to try new men/women out and see what makes her feel at peace.

God doesn't give you all the solutions in the world, you give yourself the solutions conciously or subconsciously. Whether you believe that it was God coming to you in your dreams or what ever is a comepletely different subject.

God didn’t allow her to get hurt in a sense that she would be eternally damaged. Only in a way to show her she was in a sin filled world that will use any REASON to get what they want. (SELF).

So if you want to be Satisfied, I feel that the girl would be best of if she accepted that she was a victim of selfish people rather than of God’s torture.

What are you saying here? Everyone does things for their own reasons, good, bad and ugly!
A victim of selfish people? YOU are the VICTIM of your OWN CHOICES. Everything that happens to you in directly or inderectly related to the things you do. ofcourse you deserve better everyone deserves better, but the things that happen to you are there to make you strong and provide you with a better knowledge of mankind, selfish people in your words, so the next time you don't pick someone that is a jerk.

Going to God and living life for him seems like an escapist form of view. you have one life on EARTH! Live it, expierance it. Dont complain about what good or bad is done, feel hurt and pain joy and everything, you seem to forget that without rain you would never know what sunshine is, And truly, love and hate and joy and pain are from the same origin. And why live preparing for eternity when you CANNOT PROVE it exists or not. And a book that tells me it exists is not exaclty the best proof. If I beleived every book I read that was deemed worth of my utmost faith, I'd believe in a cow flying over the moon.

Oh... and don't get me wrong, I'm not athiest. I believe in God, very much so. But I also believe it reality and in being practical.

So before giving a sermon about what God did for me and all that, read the question. God wont save me from my own mind. If my mind believes in the way it does and has its own reasoning I could kill myself and self destruct. It doenst matter how many religious places I go to. There is no saving to be done there, a mind is a mind is a mind is a mind. And it will have its own reason and logic.

P.S Please space out your post in paragraphs, it's easier to read.
Thanks.

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This post was edited by jael on Sep 30, 2007.

think threatening your child with "a whoopen" will not make them be truly sorry for not putting out the trash, having him/her understand why it needs to be taken out and why it is his/her task might.

Ok I was a little vague for the disiplinary action. My full thoughts are that a child only gets disiplined in the order of his/her amount of purposeful wrong doing. So if they purposely ignore your cause then they get a whoopen.(porportionatly) Other wise only actions of talking thru should be taken. So if you say don’t go into the street “coarse action”. Don’t touch that its hot “coarse action”. Do your chores “ minimal actions” Got caught lieing “coarse action”.

All this to say it is for REASON that we do these things. I have seen kids who get time out and it does not work. I have also seen kids that get whoopens and it doesn’t work. I believe it is the realationship that causes learning. A small fanny whoopen with a small rod has never killed anyone nor hurt them long term if use the right way. But non disiplinary action killed kids all the time.

In saying that. Reason this “ A rational ground or motive” If I want to teach my kid to kill. What good would it do for your kid. The Reasoning that I don’t teach him/her to kill is because he/she needs disipline into rational thinking and not creating unthought ful kids. Kids are born 100% selfish. All they care about is themselves. If they are not taught respect they don’t just get it. The also see love being taught when we whoop them for running into the street in a blitz. They MUST respect the nature of a car. If we did not teach them that they wouldn’t learn very well. If we just pull them away we are only teaching them not to do it when we are around. Severe punishment teaches them serious consiquenses before they get killed.

As a non-believer I have nothing to fear

As a non believer in paying taxes, I have nothing to fear. Until they catch me. Then I can use any excuse I want but I will have to pay. Believe what you want, But don’t use any excuse when you get caught. Just say “I didn’t think you were real so be nice” HA what kind of a response do you think youll get? You will pay, Unfortunatly, and it will take all eternity, and you never pay for it all. This makes me sad because you just don’t care. And if you did care you think GOD should have done it different. God said “by faith will we please Him”. You have no Faith.

But I can see and feel gravity. Objects fall downwards

And if you looked you could see God as well. But you REASON “sufficient ground of explanation” only to the extent of what sounds good to your believe. So if I gave you a Reason to believe God, you would only believe what you want. And for the purpose of being able to prove there is a God, The bible teaches that it is only those who truly seek him that he will open there eyes. At least until the Judgement.

Yet none can prove that he does.

1. All Human DNA links to one mother 5000-7000 years ago. ALL HUMANS 100% provable.
2. Einstiens Theory of relativeity has been true enough to show the expanse of the universe in biblical terms. But the speed of light is slowing down which shows that things will not alwways be the same.
3. If the world were a million years old the Sun would be to hot for life to exsist. 100% provable. As Well as it is shrinking,
4. No bone could last very long on the surface of the earth. The only way bones can be preserved for thousands of years is if they were covered very fast and covered with billions of tons of water turning them into rock. So that is what the flood did 4500 years ago. Imagine you’re an animal and its starts raining for a month straight. So you run for high ground, you meet up with a mountain sliding down, then you get covered in mud, then you get turned into a rock. Then 4500 years later, when you get dug up, some suggest that you where there for millions of years. So let them. It would have been too HOT for you to live. HELLO.
5. The oceans are getting saltier. So 4500 years ago they would have been all unsalty. But things progess and 2000 years from now they will be too salty.
6. All animals create the same spicies. There is NOT ONE piece of proof that we evolved, Even with them looking every day for 150 years. In fact we are “DNA wise” getting weaker and loosing information. That is 100% the opposite of evolution. In fact all of the proof they used to have about thing getting better like the eye, we find even the simplist eyes have all the ingedients to make a full eye with color-depth and focus. Meaning in didn’t evolve it was just complete.
7. The very fact that you are breathing air is unique and can only be explained by a window of 1% of perfection for life to exsist.
I could go on but even with these proofs that the timeline and structures meet up with the bible is more than proof. There is more proof that the bible is infalible than that you even exsist. For 2000 plus years they have been trying to find a flaw and they just freaking CANT. WOW doesn’t hat mean anything. For 150 years they have been trying to proove evolution and freaking CANT, WOW!! Every last proof has been a lie or has been miniputed until we found deeper proof. Like DNA OH the simple cell. Well if it was simple then it could evolve, but if a cell was 1 + trillion little computer culculation changing every millisecond then that would be harder to explain. Which it is. No matter how you look at it REASON will only prevail if the information doesn’t carry the avoiding truth base that evolution would have you believe.
REASON is the INTELLEGENCE behind all of this. Unintelligent people don’t want to Reason. And Believe me if they can find any shred of evidence to stay unresponsible for leading the world away from God they will clutter to it like superglue.

Can our reason and logic eventually find solutions for all the problems in the world... or better yet, can they at least save us from self-destruction?

What is SELF- destruction? I think it is self explanitory. You serve yourself and it destructs itself by wanting more and more and more.

Going to God and living life for him seems like an escapist form of view

And what are we escaping from? I truly think we see that there is no other way to live forever without going to HIM. If you want to make your own way there, maybe you should start by being almighty and perfect, Which I am not. So I figure thru REASON that maybe believing in something that can only be proven to be true and has only doughtful people to question it as fact, I am thinking maybe they are doughtful because they really arent looking.

And why live preparing for eternity when you CANNOT PROVE it exists or not. And a book that tells me it exists is not exaclty the best proof. If I beleived every book I read that was deemed worth of my utmost faith, I'd believe in a cow flying over the moon.

Unless that Book has more than 1 million reasons to believe it is from God and not Man Made. There are so many codes and supenatural and significant consistansies in the bible, There is only one way to believe it is not of God. That would be by believing that some idiot told you it was not. The Proof is in the Pudding. That’s a GOOD REASON?

One thing we learn from history is that we dont learn from history!!!

There is more proof that the bible is infalible than that you even exsist. For 2000 plus years they have been trying to find a flaw and they just freaking CANT.

For 150 years they have been trying to proove evolution and freaking CANT, WOW!

Wow, where have you been hiding for the last few centuries?


(PS, everyone knows that there's just one true religion!)

Consider yourself hugged.

This post was edited by null on Oct 02, 2007.

(PS, everyone knows that there's just one true religion!)

Have you remembered to keep your sacrificial pipe clean and well used, Null? ;)

--Jami Yeah, that's gonna sting in the morning.

Have you remembered to keep your sacrificial pipe clean and well used, Null?

Of course! And it's always prepared for extended periods of GFD praising the next time you're flying to Europe. :-)

Consider yourself hugged.

It'd be sacrilegious not to come and partake. =)

--Jami Yeah, that's gonna sting in the morning.

Wow...mised that one first time around....
LOL!! that's a great post.

The Cranesbill--a surprising pick by Emmet.

I am not going to waste my time debating with someone who refuses to even look or consider another way. There is no point, this is a dicussion between people, not an imposition of thought.

If you want to walk through life wearing blinders and thinking the way you do, it is completely your choice and I have no problem with it.

There is an difference to voicing your opinion and imposing on someone and what you are doing is the latter.

I dont know how you can call a pure and innocent child/baby 100% selfish. They are the closest thing to "God" you can get. So innocent and naive.

All I can say is believe in what you want to, but don't ask me to even begin to think your way. I will choose to do and believe and fear in what I want to.
I got one life, I'm not going to waste it living in fear and not experiancing life the way I want to.

This is where I end it. Your preaching to the wrong crowd. We have a lot of Christians on this board if I'm not mistaken here, but no one imposes thought on another.

Oh and by the way, I was beaten up as a kid. It didn't turn out well for my perants or me. AND as a kid who was beaten up. NOT ONCE do you think that what you did was wrong. You develope FEAR and HATRED for people you shouldn't and its a down right fucking shitty way to live. Two things happen then, you either live your whole life as a person who lives in fear and insecurity or you rebel against everything and anything that tries to conform you until and unless you understand why it is happening, and why your parents are that way.. AND EVEN THEN it takes a long time to get over it and finally be at peace with yourself and your parents.

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This post was edited by jael on Oct 02, 2007.

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I don't know where to start with your post. Firstly, you need to learn basic spelling and grammar. "doughtful" had me in hysterics on the floor. And now i'm hungry for bread.

It seems to me that your key argument throughout your post keeps coming back to this idea of reason.

one thing in particular struck me (pardon the pun) in your interesting opinions on disciplinary (note the 'c') punishment. Don't you think the best way for children to learn is through reason itself? physical punishment causes a child to learn through fear. and yes, perhaps some of the time they may make a reasoned connection between the pain/fear and the point you are trying to make, ultimately the lesson they are learning is "walking onto to road is bad and results in pain for me" instead of "walking onto the road is a bad idea because it's dangerous and i might die". now there may not seem to be much difference in those statements... until the child reaches a stage where they overcome their fear of the parent/guardian. they need to be able to learn reason and respect through logic and experience. say a child skips school and gets suspended and you beat them. they will be afraid to do it again, but will they understand the myriad of reasons why it was stupid? will they understand the waste of money, time, resources? will they realise the consequences if there was a fire at the school and their name was on the roll but they weren't on schoolgrounds? would they understand that they are creating more schoolwork for themselves? do you plan and spanking a 6 year old to teach them? a 10 year old? 14? 16? 17 and 11 months. they must be able to rationalise and learn as an individual. it is up to parents to give their child this skill. a good parent does not need physical punishment.

a parents ultimate job is to raise their children to be able able to cope and thrive in the adult world in all aspects of life. if you cannot beat an adult, you cannot beat a child. i'm at a restaurant and a man wont leave my friend alone, this is bad and dangerous. do i hit him to let him know? no. it's assault. hitting a child is assault. giving birth does not give you the right to abuse someone. if you lack the ability to raise your child through this "REASON" you seem to feel so strongly about then you do not deserve to keep it.

i'm sorry, but i'm going to have to stop myself now before examining your other insightful comments.

I wish i had 'faith'. i want a REASON to sound like a jackass.

-melmel

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