Reading Philosophy

"doughtful" had me in hysterics on the floor. And now i'm hungry for bread.

I love you.

Consider yourself hugged.

This is exactly why I am writing these thing. Excuse the grammar. I am glad I can make you laugh. I dont care how I spell. In fact it makes it more real that I speak from my heart and you are worried about my grammar.

You all are missing the disipline deal. Wrong disipline leads to world failure. Like it is today. Very few if any get proper disipline. Most get beaten, some get thrown in daycare, some get ignored. If one truely loves there Son/Daughter they will disipline them with respect, not anger. With love and not hate, Patients and not short fuse wrath. If you do not see disipline as a tool to mold them into respect with love. I and my brothers had proper disipline and we have all thanked our father for giving us whoopen to save us from the real dangers. I in one hand would rather get a whoopen than become a druggy fool which is hard to unhook from. Or get a whoopen rather than become a lazy lump. Or get a whoopen instead of getting killed cause I lipped of to the wrong person. When I got a whoopen, he would set me down explain how I had refused to to the right thing. Explained that we had gone over the result of purposely breaking the rule, then he would say I get the whoopen "not a blistering, brusing, hateful, mean whoopen but a I wish I didnt have to do this, but you must see you need to think harder next time. I would get the whoopen, he then would say you paid the price so it is over and now lets go on with our day. There was no hate, no bitterness, Cause it helped me to respect authority. WHICH OUR WORLD TODAY LACKS SEVERILY!! SO Now I have thanked him. If you think there is a better way you are inventing a new lie, Thats why the world is falling apart. Because your parents did it wrong and you are doing it wrong. I dont have to explain it anymore. It is so clear that is the Reason that we start off wrong.

No you cant spank an adult. They are past the age of learning respect. If they dont have it yet they are most likely stuck in that pattern. Take a prisoner, if they get to watch Tv and play in prison what is they punishment. It was originally designed to create punishment so that they would relearn they must have respect. Sorry they get treated with go to your room and they dont learn crap. Most prisoners reaffend so they can laugh at the fact they dont get punished.

Kids are born SELFISH. Take a baby when he doesnt get his bottle, or his binky, Or a 2-8 year old who throws him/herself on the floor in a tantrum. Or a one year old who throws stuff off the table just because you said not to. Oh ya, they know when they are past one or so that they can completely disobey. They arent stupid as you would have them. It not that we have to be the king and they have to obey me because I am so great. Its because if we dont teach them REASON they will screw everybody. Most of you dont get it because your stuck in la la land, the land where if you think positive all will be well. BS.
It takes effort to eqaul results.

The whole point about this REASON discussion is "WE ARE NOT getting better as a society" because we are listening to false REASON. Reason that tells us if we just say the right word or if we just dont get serious about our disipline then we create little angles. It just the opposite. Me and 80-90% of my friends got whoopens when we where young. We all are the most giving and and real people I know. Most of us will help anyone in need and give our last dollar to feed someone. But we dont steal, lie or cheat on our wives as well as we all have longterm loving relationships with very "VERY" well behaved and loving kids" Who would also give there own clothes off their back. 90% of all the kids they go to hang out with at public places "Lie, steal, throw tantrums, make faces, dont listen to authority and yell with alot of bad language. So whats up with why REASON can Fix everthing, But False Reason cant fix CRAP.

SO there is a solution to world peace, But it would take a disiplined world to recognise it. If not you wont get 2 people that agree on anything. Which takes REASONING. Which takes truth. Which seems to be hiding because most would like to ignore it.
I am Done so have fun.

One thing we learn from history is that we dont learn from history!!!

Do me a favour and never reproduce, and move to australia where it is mandatory to have a Working with Children license to be in any position of power over children.

you are ignorant, misinformed and pitiful. you are what is wrong with the world. i have no problem with you believing in religion, i wish i had the mental capacity to do so myself, life certainly would be easier. however you use physical force to make up for your stupidity and lack of ability to rationally communicate with a child. Hell, you can't even rationally communicate with adults. not once did you respond to anything i said with REASON, you merely repeated your previous posts. of course you need to hit children to make them understand when you clearly lack the education and mental capacity to reason as an adult.

yes, children are selfish. but how will hitting them help? they will learn that desire = pain. children learn the most obvious lesson. your assaulting them will be remembered while your explanation will not. how dare you punish a child because you are too stupid to clearly explain yourself. how you function around people and in the workplace is a mystery to me. i am 19 and manage my own store and after conversing with you for 2 minutes would never hire you.

Which leads me to my next point. 99% of my friends were never beaten. they were raised as i was on reason and understanding. of this group everyone of them is at university successfully studying Medicine, Law, Engineering, Science, Journalism, or Business Management. i was accepted into a scholar's Literature program which i left after 6 months despite my grades of over 90% to continue my work to earn enough money to put myself through a specialized theatrical technicians course which will allow me to work in Europe or USA and essentially set me up for the rest of my life with as much work as I could ever want or need in a variety of different fields. My day job as i said earlier is to manage one of the busier bookstores in the state. Tell me that we are what is wrong with the world. we are successful intelligent young people who will lead the world away from people like you. we will heal your children, lead your countries, build your automobiles, run the economy, write novels plays and poetry, create works of beauty and explore the universe.

Oh, and i'm still chuckling at the fact you believe the way to world peace is hitting children. put that on a bumper sticker or t-shirt and see how you go. come back and let us know.

you are pathetic. you are an abuser and in some countries (Such as my own) you would be locked up and have your children taken from you for your behaviour. You will be punished for your actions. Faith in God does not make you immune to His wrath.

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Man I wish I was done, but you make me want to talk forever.

If I was An abuser then I would do as you say. Create fear to take away pleasure. I dont abuse anything. My child and I are able to enjoy everyday together and he plays with all kinds of different kids. He is one of the most respected kids wherever he goes. Soccer games, movies, church, camp, and neighborhood. He knows how to have fun without being sneaky and mean, destructive or dangerous. I encourage him with anything he wants to do and we work on wooden cars, legos, bicycle ramps, dirt holes,as well as games and puzzles. He does not have anything to FEAR. I love him. He knows that if he wants something he asks, if he breaks something he tells and no matter what he tells the truth. He knows I wont punish him for that.

So seeing your a bright 19 year old and know everything. Please have some kids so they can give you a treat. When their older and have their kids you can make sure with the great world you will be living in with rapist and molesters and murders and drugatics, "that cant fit in the jail system". Make sure you have fun looking for another planet to move to. Because if you stay here you will be the one getting bent over, and not for a whoopen.

And if I am ignorant, misinformed, and pitiful- why is it that you have no words of any kind of wisdom? You havent raised any kids to their adulthood. You havent said anything that would fix any problem. Yet I have fixed 1000's of problems with dozens of businesses and have many thousands of friends around the globe. Your wisdoms seems to be calling other people names so you can make yourself feel better.

Oh and its so funny how you get "hitting kids" as your main theme. I say a little whoopen to a completely out of control child and you insert a full crap beating. My whoopens wouldnt hurt a child for more than 5 seconds. They create a type of atmosphere that an adult doesnt have to have. Adults can reason " unless they are a fool".
You must be a complete genius to think that an adult getting a whoopen is the same as a child. Children cant reason, they only learn to reason when they are put into a position of attention by action that causes their head to gain wisdom. If you try to reason with a 2 year old he wont even know what on earth you are doing. Putting him in a room or corner doenst to him not to throw a tantrum. It only causes him to hide it better. There are a million ways to teach a child but the bible," the oldest book of wisdom around teaches whoopens". Read (Proverbs 19:18 Chasten Your son while there or is hope)or (Proverbs 22:15 Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child; the rod of correction will drive it far from him) or (Proverbs 23:13-14 Do not withold correction from a child, For if you beat him with a rod, he will not die. You shall beat him with a rod, and deliver his soul from hell).

It sounds harsh but you need to put it into perspective. If God would of thought it was ok to be a fool he would NOT have put any disipline rules in there. But in His mind it would be better to get a whoopen than go the hell as a fool. He also says a fool cant reason about him. He says "Only a fool says in his heart there is no God". Weather you believe or not is none of my business, but I would rather die by stoning than see you go to HELL. Sorry but if you could see truth like a parent can see for their child, You would see why God is in no way wanting to see you go to hell.

I have show reason. You show dreams of a perfect world. I put it into perspective. Thats reason.

you are pathetic. you are an abuser and in some countries (Such as my own) you would be locked up and have your children taken from you for your behaviour. You will be punished for your actions. Faith in God does not make you immune to His wrath.

Why would I be pathetic, Because you sound like you dont have anything to say but BS? You havent given one reason that any truth exsist. You havent provided any evidence of anything. If you are so smart, look up Kent Hovind. He has 1 million dollars available for anyone who can prove evolution. So far no real proof exsist. It takes more faith to believe there is no God than that There is. Thats not Pathetic or crazy. Its clear and you are the fool.

Dont worry I was once where you are. But Truth prevails when you look for it. When you have no respect for the Truth all you get is bable. I have provided all kinds of debate material and you have provided the you think you know it all. I am waiting for your brain to unlock and poor out some breath taking evindence as to why you believe by REASON that ther is no God or why you believe that you can get the results of a perfect world by hard work alone. If you work hard some idiot will want what you have and take it. So where does that put you??

We already have laws that make it illeagal to do anything yet crime still pays. Jails keep getting bigger. How are you going to get those numbers down.

I have given what I think makes our Reason most prosperous. Following God will make us Happier, stronger, eternal, and when He gets done with this world like he did in the flood. We will have him to rule over us. And then only will we see true peace!!!! Until then there aint a chance. The only reason I say that is because He says that. The ways of the world lead to death (eternal death)

Where is your wisdom? And what is your base?

One thing we learn from history is that we dont learn from history!!!

You shall beat him with a rod, and deliver his soul from hell

Now I'm getting tired of this bible crap, but I gotta say, if I ever have children and they obviously try to mess with me and do everything within their power with the sole purpose of pissing me off, I'm gonna box their ears.

And I'm saying that as someone who has spent a significant part of his childhood at a boarding school which was led by incompetent jerks whose concept of 'upbringing' could be summed up as "do whatever I say, no matter how stupid or unjust, or you'll be sorry."
Now that's arguably the worst thing you can say to a child. The only thing the child will learn is that you can do whatever you damn well please, including abusing the others, as long as you're stronger than them.

Above all I think a child should know and understand the rules. Of course, being a child, it will test their limits and try everything it can think of to get away with bending or breaking the rules. And that's when punishment is appropriate - when the child understands that it's being punished for breaking the rules, and at the same time learns that breaking the rules has consequences.
Whether that punishment is a verbal reprimand, house arrest or a smack around the ears depends of course on the situation. It goes without saying that causing bodily pain should be used as a last resort.
Still, most of the time it's not the punishment but the possibility of punishment that prevents a child (or adult, for that matter) from breaking the rules. And IMNSHO, just as important as punishment is to abide by your own rules, too. And that's what many parents neglect to do.

Consider yourself hugged.

This post was edited by null on Oct 04, 2007.

I have show reason. You show dreams of a perfect world. I put it into perspective. Thats reason.

No my friend, that isn't reason.

and your not showing me anything besides YOUR perspective. Nothing else, and it's not one I'd like to entertain my life with.

I don't understand what reason is in your dictionary but in my and i'm sure many other it is a an explanation or justification or an event.

I'm going to repeat that because I"ve said this before and it doesnt seem like you got it at all

REASON IS AN EXPLANATION, A JUSTIFICATION FOR A CAUSE OR AN EVENT.

God NEITHER a cause, nor a justification nor an explanation.

What I don't seem to understand is your constant need to prove the fact that God did this and what you are doing is right. By all means, it might be, could be, and is a decent way of living your life. But that doesnt mean anyother way besides yours is wrong. There are a million people in this world, and that many ways of living life. Your merely a spec in the differences. Why the need to prove yourself and your way.

Now please answer this, what is your problem with my thoughts, views or decisions. You've made it clear that you are refusing to even look or try and see that we are having a DISCUSSION.

Again, this is a DISCUSSION your imposing your THOUGHT ON US.
NONE OF US LIKE THAT.

I'm writing in capital letters because I dont want to hear about the BIBLE again if I want to know about it, I'll read it myself thank you. Unless you have something DIFFERENT to say, say it or dont bother writing.

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This post was edited by jael on Oct 04, 2007.

Do not withold correction from a child, For if you beat him with a rod, he will not die. You shall beat him with a rod, and deliver his soul from hell).

What kind of religion are you into exactly? Since when we should interpret the bible literally? If you do that, then I assume you also believe in do to others what they do to you. If they punch you, you'll punch them back and so forth.

At any rate, I agree with null here. You guys stop with this crap. Punishing kids by beating them up will lead to nothing if not hatred. When my nephews misbehave (they are almost 8, almost 5 and 3 years old) they are put in a corner without doing nothing for a while, and they soon come back to their senses. They have never been beaten by their parents, and they are the most adorable kids I know.

At the same time, only reason won't do anything to the kid. If they misbehave, the parents should take some actions. Actions that are never physical though, unless they do something very dangerous that might endanger their life (like a 3 years old kid trying to cross the street alone after he was told not to do that). Only in that case it could be done, even though I'd rather avoid the whole thing to begin with.

To Mel: I think it is a little hard to talk about things you haven't experienced yet. I have the experience only of my nephews, because I don't have kids of my own yet. I know you're bright and intelligent, but this is not all. You're still only 19, so despite all, you might not have a full experience of things (not saying that I do, but I am at least a little older than you, and have experienced more things in this world).

When I was younger (and hey I am close to 25 only!!), I strongly believed that the world could be change and bla bla bla. Unfortunately I have already realized that this is just a bunch of crap. World will not change, because there aren't enough people interested in changing it. And Mel, you say that people like you, bright and so forth, are those who will rule countries, save children and so forth. Well, I honestly hope that this new generation of yours is not going to be like this generation of politicians, doctors and so on.

My suggestion is for both of you guys to stop arguing like this. It will lead to nothing, because in any case you're both keeping your own ideas, and won't accept anything else. I am not even getting into siding with one or the other (even though I kind of stated my opinion).

On a side note: children have been abused in the past and will be in the future. It just takes 1 bastard out of a thousand good parents for kids to be abused. Just so you can relate being Australian: think about what the British have done to the Aborigines. The trend was to take the kids away from their parents in order to have them marry British people to destroy completely the darker race.

Unfortunately we can say how bad, wrong, horrible is to beat a child (and I can't agree more to that), but things are not gonna change. There are always going to be people who will hit their child when they do something bad. In other words, I think this whole discussion is kinda pointless :(

Un bacio è un'apostrofo rosa scritto tra le parole "ti amo".

Just so you know I showed you 3 verses from the King James Version of the bible. I know ther are a 100 verses that say you treat others how you want to be treated but that doesnt apply for the training of kids. If so they wouldnt be anything but spoiled. Those other verses are saying how you should treat others in respect to business, help, marrige, and to a certain extent it could imply dont over disipline. I want to be disiplined right. Not over disiplined, so Thats how I would do it. I wouldnt want 25 years in prison for stealing a piece of candy from a store. Not that I would but...

Reason From the dictionary: A statement offered in explanation or justification. :a sufficient ground or explanation or logical defence, :The thing that makes some fact intelligible (CAUSE) <want to know the --- for problems> :The power of comprehinding, inferring, or thinking esp. in orderly rational ways :the power of the intellect by which man attains to truth or knowledge :to persuade or influence by the use of reason.

Well I used reasoning to tell why I think reasoning only works if you have solid truth. My points were that the bible and God have lots of evidence of exsisting and bringing results, (good results). If we reason that we can fix something by not doing anything or by wrong reasoning we get nowhere, even if it sounds good. Example. If I am going to plant a lawn and I want to know how to get good results of a plush green yard, then I would get some knowledge of the subject, then REASON what I should do. If I talk to someone with the Greenest grass a plushest grass in the neighborhood and he says do this this and this. But the guy down the street with a brown yard says do thi this and this. I would reason it out and thats what I would work towards.

You guys arent reasoning anything. I have had success and so i share it. I also share why I believe I have and will have even more success by REASONING. (and no it is not because I believe in whoopens). Success has been thru solid truth reasoning. (You can achieve temporary success by watering the yard with fertilizer, but dont over do it or you will have a brown yard like the guy down the street.)

I to, use harder disipline as a very very last resort, but with out it there would be a society like the one that is coming up.
Polititions that use lies and force to get in place. Presidents who sleep with prostitutes. Presidents who help governments buy nuclear technology to use against us from us. Presidents who help get money by helping drug lords. See they werent raised right, or they would respect life. Instead the are selfish and screw us.

One thing we learn from history is that we dont learn from history!!!

Amen.

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cu, w0lf.

Fuck off the 30 seconds posting limit!

Honestly, I read what you just wrote, and for the first time sense I started keeping track of this thread I finished one of your posts Capital, and frankly if it weren't for reading everyone else's responses this would sound like utter drivel.

Granted, I'm not saying it isn't but what is the point you are even arguing anymore? I noticed your are shifting the conversation away from something that people here seem to just not agree with you on, or at least you are trying to anyway. You keep mentioning the solid truth. Well I hate to tell you this, but regardless of faith a several thousand year old book that's probably been mistranslated by people over the years, and is constantly interpreted in no less than a dozen ways per passage isn't exactly solid. In fact, history is a very liquid thing period, due to how accurate records on historical events are, and recordings way of just disappearing over time anyway. So no, you really don't have a solid truth to base any argument on if you are going with the Bible.

But I'm not particularly certain that I want to waist my breath on arguing with you too much. But keep up the post whoring, sir. I kind if giggle at your lack of spell checking skills and partial inability to use the shift key.

--Jami Yeah, that's gonna sting in the morning.