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Turings_child

Counter-Racism is supposed to produce one thing...a SYSTEM of justice. A SYSTEM of justice is a SYSTEM where it is guaranteed that no person is mistreated and also guaranteed the person who needs help the most get the most help.

What we have now, on this planet, globally, is a universal SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy). The SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) takes into account all of the people in the known universe. Systematically, all over the planet, people are being mistreated on the basis of color.

What you are describing are that there are some people who are attempting to compensate people for being mistreated on the basis of color, for whatever reason. And/or, compensate people for being mistreated on the basis of "sexual expression", for whatever reason. So on and so forth.

But they've got it all wrong and you have to be able to explain to them that they've got it all wrong and also explain how it should be. They have to be able to solve problems without producing more problems. YOU have to be able to solve problems without producing more problems. They can't just say that they're solving a problem for someone and it ends up making a problem for someone else and neither can you. That's not justice. Justice is guaranteeing no person is mistreated and also guaranteeing the person who needs help the most get the most help. If you or anyone else persist in solving problems for one or two people but not everyone in the known universe this kind of thing is going to keep going on. So it is going to take some thought.

I figured out a way to solve problems without producing more problems in a very short period of time. In the process of solving any problem you have to make sure, to the best of your ability that no person is mistreated and also make sure to the best of your ability that the person who needs help the most get the most help. Once you begin to think this way, speak this way, and do things in this manner you are going to meet with a lot of opposition. Opposition from people who you may consider to be some of the most smart and powerful people you know. Keep that in mind.

So it's not about English culture or gay culture or anything else. It is about either being in a culture of injustice or a culture of justice.

What we have now, on this planet, globally, is a universal SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy).

Really? but haven't many African countries been given independence? Isn't at least 1 African leader following a policy of throwing whites off land and then leaving it to rot? Wasn't one of the worst dictators in modern history in fact black?

SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) takes into account all of the people in the known universe.

I prefer to deal with just the one planet. On other planets everyone may be one of 40 shades of pink. Seriously as there is no evidence of other planets having life I think we'd better just accuse the earth of having a system of white supremacy.

I figured out a way to solve problems without producing more problems in a very short period of time. In the process of solving any problem you have to make sure, to the best of your ability that no person is mistreated and also make sure to the best of your ability that the person who needs help the most get the most help.

Something we would all like to do and which any system of justice hopes to achieve. I think that my job example proves that this system would work up to the point where everyone seems to have a valid point.

But they've got it all wrong and you have to be able to explain to them that they've got it all wrong and also explain how it should be. They have to be able to solve problems without producing more problems.

Maybe anyone who advocates a system of justice should not start by saying that everyone else is wrong except themselves.

We all feel justice should be served and no one should be discriminated against on any grounds.You seem to be saying that your system is based around the fact that anyone white is automatically guilty of racial discrimination then that every case should be judged on it's merits. I am a little confused what you are trying to say to be honest.

Your system seems to be simply that everyone should be given justice and that those in more need of help should be given it. Well isn't that what every justice system promises. It is just a little short of practical recommendations.

However this thread is about going too far the other way purely to avoid racism, sexism etc. It seems that your theory would be wide open to those who would over-compensate in favour of minorities and against the majority.

I thinks therefore I is

A friend sent me the poem yesterday.

I'm going to preface this by saying when I read it, it caused some of my own issues with past activities of human beings, particually of the male of the species to rise up. It did not nessiarily touch what the white or pink skinned people have done to people of colors that arn't white or pink.
In order to keep a clear view, I had to look at what the person was actually saying when they wrote this.

It sparked conversation and like many conversations that deal with the issue of justice, it's a bit difficult at times to keep a clear perspective.
It would be easy for me and all people like me to put who we are in the ranks who have suffered under raceism,
to stand up and say that the white skinned people,
deserve to be on the other end of the stick.
And to say that white skinned people need to pay for what they have done.
But to do that, would make me just as guilty as the people of the past, the whites in particular, who did terrible things to the black, red, yellow skinned people along with all the religious persicution that falls under the same miserable tyrany of raceism that has and still does exist.

A side note here, none of us are our ansestors. We are the children of people who either suffered under something or were the one's doing it.

The idea of justice for all, simply means just what it says. For all, without regard to any physical conditions attached to define how justice is best served.
True justice, is color blind.

Having said that, it must also be said that remembering the past and the terrible things that have been done by one group of people tord another so that we as the human race do not go there yet again.

I forget who said, thoes who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
It should be said also that it's very possible that thoes who have fought to gain reconigion even as people, are capable of doing the exact same things to thoes who are decendants of the people who did terrible things to people who weren't just like them.

Just because someone overcomes something does not mean they won't turn around and do the same things back.
True raceisim, like other true terrors that are possible when you deal with humans is not color bound.

I do believe in light of this, that it's also important to remember that each person walking on the face of the earth, doesn't matter the color, where they are from, their belief system or gender is fully capable of practicing raceism.

Raceism is about power and the notion of control. One group over another. Raceism is more about being self-centered at it's heart than anything else.

There are people of honor in the world, people in human history that have fought and laid down their lives so that someone somewhere could be free of tyrany or oppression.
They have come in every color and every race and both male and female.
And it's equally true that there are people in the world who fit the terrible lables that are coined by people who have practiced and are still practicing raceism.
They can be found in every color every belief system and both male and female.

Until the human race wakes up and realizes that it's not the skin color or belief system or gender that defines what a person is or isn't, the problem will persist.
The real problem is more about how justice is defined and metered out.

That's my take on this.

Maybe perfect justice is like a perfect world, an impossible dream but an inspiration to change the existing system/world for the better.

I thinks therefore I is

As long as there are imperfect humans there will be imperfect justice.

A perfect world? Well, alot has been written on the subject of what a perfect world is, and even the authors of thoes books don't all agree.
So like perfect justice what defines a perfect world is up for interpertation.

My thoughts on that are more about people striving to be who they are truely ment to be. In that place, it's far easier to strive to treat eveyone else with honor and justly in all respects.

Underneath the skin you wear, you and me and everyone else here in the world have aproximately the same stuff. It's seems to be that the color of skin or where they are from gets too much in the way to see clearly.

Yes I agree entirely, the imperfections of those concerned will always mean that there can be no perfection in systems created by them.

Look at Zimbabwe, it was Rhodesia and one of the most racist (Anti coloured) regimes on the planet. Then along comes Mugabe and overthrows the tyrannical and racist government to general celebration. That was in the 70-80's and now turns out that Mugabe is a tyrannical dictator himself but hates anyone no matter what colour if they try to say Mugabe is not a nice person. Futhermore inflation means that a billion dollar monthly salary buys about five loaves. So which system is better blatantly racist or blatantly destructive to the country.

Obviously neither but it is the imperfections of both governments people that leads to the imperfection of the systems.

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The biggest problem with any govement is the people who end up at the top of the food chain, simply because the people who end up there arn't perfect to begin with.

So then you give that person the power to rule over a country and that much power tends to corrupt and then it becomes the problem of absoult power corupting absoultly.

I would like to see the qualifications to enter into govement change. The first requirement I would like to see put into place is anyone who would aspire to pollitcal office required to be homeless and jobless for the same amount of time the office they are considering allows.

This would be a problem if the elected office is for life, as in dictatorships. But a 5 year stretch of homeless life would go along way to give someone in office a better understanding of what happens when a system puts the most demands on the poorest people in that system.

Doing this one thing might help change the people who want to rule and make them more humane and help them to remember that underneath we are pretty much all the same.

The second thing I would do in this countries system of goverment is change the amount a retired offical gets from the office they hold. The last I heard was the president gets a million dollars a year along with secret service protection for life.
I would lower the amount to about fifty thousand a year for the same amount of time they served and limit the secret service protection to the same number of years.
It would save the tax payers heaps of money and maybe the thought that it wouldn't be so easy to get into office no matter how much money you have and the perks after arn't so cushie either.
I would also require anyone serving office to fulfill a equal term after office in community service, volunteer status with no pay naturally.

If nothing else it would change the playing field of people who want to run for office.

Eminently sensible ideas. The uk prime minister usually ends up with a nice little earner after his / her terms of office and you never see a poor politician. The question of mp's expenses are in the news at the moment. They claim for all kinds of things.

Political systems do seem to bring out the worst in politicians.

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Politics seem to bring out the worst behavior in most people who end up there.
I really do think it's the idea of being control with that much power. It goes to their head and they loose the ablity to be reasonable and sensable about anything.

Funny thing about that is that controll is an illusion. The only thing a person can actually control is themselves. And politions seem to never remember that so they end up doing things that the rest of us suffer under.