Reading Philosophy

Well, I think every human has been asked whether he thinks god exists or has at least put some thoughts into it.

For me, for a large part of my live I din't really believe in any god/s, though I might have prayed for some things, and when they happened I'd be like "oh guess I was lucky or if it was due to god, HAHA god, I tricked you into doing my biding".

Later on in my life, i thought i was an atheist, i thought there's no prove for god to be found in the world and therefore, there is no god. Until I realised that "No proof isn't proof" and that the atheist standpoint basically made the same assumptions as the theist one, only in the other direction.

So I ended up with agnosticism, that is, that there is no prove for or against the existence of god, as I thought it to be the most honest and most reasonable approach to answering the question.
I then got to strong agnosticism, meaning there is no prove for or against the existence of god, and that there can be no prove, as the whole concept of god isn't put in a way that's testable or falsifyable by reason.

I've been at that standpoint for quite some time, so for me the answer to "Is there a god?" would have been "i don't know and I can't know".

Now recently I've stumbled upon apathetic agnosticism, with an apathetic agnostic answering the question with "I do not now and I do not care", which basically hits right on the spot for me. If there is no god, it wouldn't influence my live, and if there was one, it wouldn't influence it either, therefore I don't care.
It is also related to ignosticism as ignosticism states that the question "Is there a god?" is completely irrelevant until one gives a reasonably good definition of what a "god" actually was, if there was one. You can perceive the universe as god, you can perceive the laws of physics as god, you could say it's and old guy with a beard living in the sky. It's like asking "is there a wobbledidobbledubbdidu?", i don't know what that would be, so how should I know if it exists?

So, in my researh on apathetic agnosticism, I stumbled upon the UCTAA (Universal Church triumphant of the Apathetic Agnostic), which apperently started somewhere around 1996 as a joke website, but which now has tax-exempt status in most us states, "followers" all around the world and is quite serious about what it's doing.

1. The existence of a Supreme Being is unknown and unknowable.

To believe in the existence of a god is an act of faith. To believe in the nonexistence of a god is likewise an act of faith. There is no evidence that there is a Supreme Being nor is there evidence there is not a Supreme Being. Faith is not knowledge. We can only state with assurance that we do not know.

2. If there is a Supreme Being, then that being appears to act as if apathetic to events in our universe.

All events in our Universe, including its beginning, can be explained with or without the existence of a Supreme Being. Thus, if there is indeed a God, then that god has had no more impact than no god at all. To all appearances, any purported Supreme Being is indifferent to our Universe and to its inhabitants.

3. We are apathetic to the existence or nonexistence of a Supreme Being.

If there is a God, and that God does not appear to care, then there is no reason to concern ourselves with whether or not a Supreme Being exists, nor should we have any interest in satisfying the purported needs of that Supreme Being. However, our apathy to the question of God's existence does not necessarily mean we are apathetic about promoting agnosticism.

I think this sums it up very nicely and it perfectly covers my beliefs (knowledge ;) ) at the moment, maybe I'll be running around shouting jihad in a few years but I doubt it ;), and well, it's the only answer to the question that satifies my need for logical coherence and also covers my lack of interest in the existence of god.

So I'm now officially a member and am just waiting for my official Bacherlor of Ignorance from the International University of Nescience. (I'm gonna frame it and put it on the wall :P )

If you check out the homepage, read the "meditations" section as well, it's quite interesting.

Another funny thing is that I thought you could either be an agnostic, atheist or theist (concerning the one question), but come to think of it, it's completely sane to be an agnostic and a christian (for instance) at the same time, that is, all those christians that chose to believe in the existence of god but will admit that there is no hard proof of said existence.

So i think I'd had to state that I chose to only believe in things that i can perceive or that i can find prove for, so I don't believe in god.

What is your view on this topic? How would you answer the question? What do you think of apathetic agnosticism and agnosticism in general?

"The wise have always said the same things, and fools have always done the opposite"-Schopenhauer

I've known a few Agnostics and a few apathetic agnostics, and although they are interesting to talk to, it's hard to discuss something that I preceve abundant proof of that they don't.
Nothing is answered or solved by any discussion.
That's what I've found in talking to people who live there.

I can only tell you what my experience has show me. That there is a supreme intellegance at work, and we are part of it and it is a part of us.
But how do you explain god? Or gods or anything else that you can't see or touch or taste?
There are lots of things you can't grab hold of with any of the five senses. But they still exist.
Your emotions for example. You feel them,you know you have them, and you know they are real, but you can't put them into a physical box and say "Here they are."
If I were to look at another person from the agnositc perspecive and say to them "your emotions are not real because there is no proof or not enough to convince me, there for it's impossible for them to exist" they and everyone else on the planet would look at me and most likely laugh.

Belief in god is alot like that. And that is something that is next to impossible to explain to someone who sees belief in god as not possible, because the proof they need to make it real doesn't exist in the way that exists for everything that they do hold as real and true.
But it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist or isn't true. It just doesn't fit the perameters of provable evidence for the person who is agnostic.
If the agnostic doesn't care, then all discussions to the idea or notion of the possiblity of there being a god is pointless.