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Oct 10, 2009 22:59 # 46563

Hawkeye *** takes out his flame thrower...

Corruption in American politics

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Well, more than usual anyway.

Business as usual.

What's wrong with this picture? That is Representative Jack Murtha, speaker of the house clearly demonstrating a lack of democracy. It's a scary thing really that such a thing could happen despite several hundred years of constitution in place to prevent such things from happening.

The democrats own the majority of the house and senate and with a democratic president, what you have is a clear digestive system by which things are consumed and excreted in little to no time whatsoever. This advantage is apparently being put to good use by the democrats, and I would argue being put to a little too much good use. The trend has been to print bills the night before and have them voted the very next day. These bills are hundreds of pages in length and written in a very difficult legalese, making it near impossible for your typical baby-kissing Senator to read it in so little time. So yes, you understood correctly.. bills are getting passed without even being read!

This is a slap in the face of what democracy was supposed to stand for (and this isn't about democrat/republican parties as I'd be just as angry if the republican party did this and probably would do for that matter). The whole point of even having a Senate and a House of Representatives was to create a group of leaders to congress and vote according to their own opinion to put into check and balances the role of the president with his direct control. The party in all its wisdom dictates what things are going to be voted yes and which things are going to be voted no. So what do you get when 100 Senators vote collectively as two separate parties? You get the intellectual equivalent of 2 voters, not 100. That's precisely what's happening to Congress right now. If you are a Senator and want to vote against the party, that's fine, just don't expect the party to back you with funds on your next campaign in 2012.

Would you believe that someone did propose that the bills actually be read before they were voted upon? They hired a speed-reader to stand up in front of the house and read it as fast as he could so that way the bill was "read." It wasn't even comprehensible by the rate in which he was reading. It was considered a joke by many, and I think this shows the profoundness of the corruption in Washington, D.C.

Then consider that many failing business make enormous "campaign" contributions to individual senators and to the party whereby many of these bills printed the night before which get passed include stimulus packages to those said failing business. Coincidence? I don't call it coincidence. I call it bribery. It's sickening how often this occurs. They're allowed to do it because campaign contributions are not bribes.

Then don't get me started on medicare. They want to provide all the american people with a medicare system, but oh by the way, senators get their own special plan which doesn't fall under that. And lets not consider the fact that when the bill to increase the salaries of senators gets put up for vote, nobody votes thereby passively voting yes so that they're able to say they didn't vote yes for that bill.

Sry, guys I just needed to vent a little. I read about these sorts of things and I wonder if it's too late to change the constitution to prevent corruption in Washington, and I inevitably come to the conclusion of yes.

If the world should blow itself up,the last audible voice would be an expert saying it can't be done

Oct 14, 2009 14:13 # 46564

zen *** replies...

Re: Corruption in American politics

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It's a scary thing really that such a thing could happen despite several hundred years of constitution in place to prevent such things from happening.

This maybe the point where your argument looses its steam. The fact is, that we've only had the US Constitution for 221 yrs. That's not several, it's two. The "several years" you speak of could only be British Common Law we based our system on. While an improvement, that document wasn't exactly democratic, was it? Remember the Civil War, it wasn't till after that, into the 1950's, really, that the constitution...through the court system...became democratic by recognizing "coloured people"--i.e. non-whites as actual human beings. Woman's Suffrage was granted in 1920, well after the ratification of the Constitution.
I would make an additional point of saying that the Constitution itself might not have been truly democratic until the Bill of Rights was created, and certain people got the right to be considered human beings, and worthy of a vote, and a say in their government. Be that as it may, it's still a tangent.
Essentially, all those several hundred years you refer to (both systems), were there in place to keep this exact thing happening, to keep power/property/rights out of the common folks' hands.
Face it, a system of government based on the Electorial College (a representative-type) is not democratic. We don't live in a democracy when over half of all government postions are "appointed".
You dilude yourself by thinking

...what democracy was supposed to stand for...

has any bearing in the current system of government.

In St*r W*rs, forget which one, the Princess states this lovely line:

It is clear to me now that the Republic no longer functions...

She then says that I have to go back home to fight, physically fight, for her rights.

Don't be diluded. The government, and all it's elected and appointed flunkees are not here for you or me, but for themselves, and to help their rich friends. Don't kid yourself into thinking that even if these pricks did read the bills that it would make any difference.
The middle-class is dead. I would condsider you (financially) middle-class if you make 250K-750K $/year...otherwise you're a servent of the middle-class. No one that I know knows a truly wealthy person. It's only the politicians that know, like on a first name basis, the truly wealthy. If one doesn't think that warps the mind, then you're kidding yourself.
Jack Murtha is just one of the many, many government flunkees who should be tossed out. But he's really just a puppet, an apparachik, isn't he? Throw him out, and the lobbiests and interests that wrote his head still exist.
The entire system is corrupt and needs to be reformed, but at this point it's too bloated, too warped, and too far gone.
We as a country have voted untold numbers of people into offices all over this country, in all the states, not to mention the federal level, and we're at the point we're at now. Is holding, yet one more election going to make things better? They're being voted into a sh1tty system. I wish the current president well, but don't have much hope in his ability to affect much change in things. FDR was probably our last best president. Since then it's been progressively steering the country in the direction of progress/technology and monied interests at all costs: screw the workers, screw the economy, screw individual's rights, screw humanity.

Once Fred Neitszche declared God is Dead, f*ck became the most important word in the English languag

This post was edited by zen on Oct 14, 2009.

Nov 16, 2009 10:13 # 46601

oklana * replies...

Re: Corruption in American politics

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Thanks for the post dear.Corruption has moved to the forefront in discussions about business. This might possibly affect the financial status of a firm.In the last 18 months, there have been calls for more stringent financial regulation. There isn't a lot of definition of what is meant by financial regulation, or what it might entail. That said, the debate is whether to offer recourse to consumers through government agencies, such as the Consumer Financial Protection Agency, or through courts. The problem is that agencies are susceptible to lobbying (the FDA, EPA, etc.) and the courtrooms are in turn susceptible to judges with agendas in either direction. Until a decision is reached on how to best approach financial regulation (currency regulation might be a start), the consumers will have debt relief in their own hands.

Apr 01, 2010 23:28 # 46745

TalknShtPrettySunset * replies...

Re: Corruption in American politics

Okay, so obviously you are republican.
That is the problem right there. You cannot simply judge our corrupt government system on one individual person or stereotype i.e. democrats.
You say that democrats easily consume and excrete valuable resources. What about the system that we have been living on for years? Non renewable energy. It's ridiculous and the republicans have no idea what they are doing trying to keep that alive. It's because we are a lazy country who is obsessed with money and whichever way is the easiest to obtain it, we do it. Have you noticed that ever since Obama became president people have been on their toes instead of on the couch watching HBO? He keeps people hoping for the better in the future. Our health care system has been so corrupt before this gigantic bill that you talk about has been passed. Many Americans have no health care, but the rich don't really mind because they can afford all the medical attention they need. That is the rich vs. poor gap that republicans have kept alive and it is starting to change, thanks to Obama.
Many of our schools teach ridiculously low levels of knowledge that other countries learn in their high school days. Without the ability to afford college, many people cannot go keeping that rich vs. gap. The rich don;t mind because they are rich. Obama is also changing that. Democrats believe in the better of our country and making each individual have the ability to become what they want, the true American Dream. No other republican has even stepped close to offering better college options to those without money.
How is that happening? The stimulus bill. I am sure that you are not sending back that extra cash you received from filing your taxes right?
No one is ever going to agree on the processes that our government goes through. That is okay though because we are human.


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