Reading Rating Complaints

Sep 04, 2002 11:22 # 5028

null replies...

Re: Green rating utopia

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And, null, a 2 lines post doesn't always deserve a yellow.

I've never said something like that. It wasn't me who rated him yellow, either. In fact I didn't rate any of his recent posts because I didn't have any strong feelings towards them.

Every rater should try to imagine the point of view of the writer when he wrote that post, and only in that way he can decide whether to give a green or a yellow rating.

D'accord. :-)

But now, I found it unfair that someone rated him yellow for his post on cookies.

Why is this unfair? After all it's better for him than no rating! And people are free to give whatever rating they think is appropriate, as long as it's not abusive. And I don't see any abuse here.

And, null, just to point out something... Hawkeye wrote a good post here. It was a well written post. I guess it required some reasoning to him. So why did someone give him a yellow?

Probably because somebody thought a yellow rating would be appropriate?
Look, that's the story with different opinions again. If you find that the post deserves a green rating, just rate it green! If somebody else finds that the post deserves a yellow rating, well, then he will get a yellow rating.
It's that easy. :-)

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Sep 04, 2002 14:19 # 5030

Martin *** replies...

Re: Green rating utopia

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Everytime new users join NAO and keep posting more than 5 messages you can bet it takes about 4 weeks to start this discussion again. Hawkeye and andromacha, you dont see the point in rating posts! There is absolutely no room for interpretation, there are rules as null pointed out before. Please read the old threads when Chris rejoined or when RCD joined. The rating system is basicaly there to keep possible threats out of NAO, not to boost or lower your friends and foes!

The basic misunderstanding is you feel that a yellow rating IS A PUNISHMENT!! IT IS NOT! There are 4 stages of rating: green, yellow, no rating and red. What you dont see is the fact that green AND yellow ADD to your "score", while not rating doesn't change it and a red lowers your score. So if someone decides to give a yellow, he or she thinks the post deserves a read, "good reading" as it says in the rules. I absolutely cant see anything to be sad or angry about. NOT RATING a post is much worse because it says noone was interested in what I said. If I get a yellow, it says someone enjoyed reading my post, nothing else. At least thats how the yellow is intended to be. Rating aint got nothing to do with how I like or dislike the opinion or the author. Please try and understand that...and act like that!

What d'you mean "someone didn't deserve a yellow rating"? How can you decide whether or not someone enjoyed reading a special post or not?? Its basicaly that you did not understand what it means to give a yellow rating at all. As long as you think yellow ratings are there to punish someone and green ones are there to reward the author there's a major misunderstanding. YELLOW IS BETTER THAN NOT RATING. And hoenstly, I'm tired of this permanent complaints about how bad someone was treated. We are all old enough to understand how rating is intended to work...I thought.

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This post was edited by Martin on Sep 04, 2002.

Sep 04, 2002 14:41 # 5032

andromacha *** replies...

Re: Green rating utopia

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So, basically green stands for well written, and yellow stands for "I enjoyed reading your post". Then I don't see the difference between rating green or yellow.

Probably when you give a yellow to someone, that means that his/her post wasn't well written, but that you liked reading it. Okay, I can agree with that, Martin. But now I need to know what "well written post" stands for. Grammatically well written? Interesting? Which are the criteria (sorry for the latinism) we should use to decide whether a post is well written or not?

I don't want to polemize on that. I just need some answer to better understand NAO and its policy. Hawkeye and I didn't complain about our yellow ratings. We are just wondering why someone gave us a yellow. Null said that he gives yellow when he doesn't think that the writer put his heart in what he wrote. Well, how can you decide that?

Frankly, since you brought up this thread I've been getting confused. And, I don't give greens or yellows to my friends or foes. If I don't like what Hawkeye or null or orchid say I don't always give them green. That's just to point out a couple of things.

Oh and it's better you don't say that a post is well written based on the English skill of the writer, or you'd deserve a couple of yellows more than what you've gotten until now. I'm not saying I am an English master, because I am not but I really hope that a well written post doesn't have to do with an excellent English grammar.

How the heck should I decide if a post is well written or not?? That's the only thing I want to know. And don't tell me to go and look at NAO's rules or whatever. Because there it's written to give green when you think that a post is well written.
So, now I am asking, "What does well written mean?"

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Sep 04, 2002 15:07 # 5033

Martin *** replies...

Re: Green rating utopia

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So, basically green stands for well written, and yellow stands for "I enjoyed reading your post". Then I don't see the difference between rating green or yellow.

There's a public search function available you might have tried:
here is the answer
read the thread, not the article.

Oh and it's better you don't say that a post is well written based on the English skill of the writer, or you'd deserve a couple of yellows more than what you've gotten until now.

Mind your words, darling, flames are also covered within the rules.

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This post was edited by Martin on Sep 04, 2002.

Sep 04, 2002 15:42 # 5035

null replies...

Re: Green rating utopia

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Probably when you give a yellow to someone, that means that his/her post wasn't well written, but that you liked reading it.

To quote Jaz once more:

Give a positive vote...
for really well-written and thought out posts, regardless of whether you agree or disagree with the author.

Give a neutral vote...
for posts that are good reading, but nothing too special.

Or, more simple, "a yellow vote is half a green one."

Null said that he gives yellow when he doesn't think that the writer put his heart in what he wrote.

Uuh, excuse me, but when did I say that? Because it's not exactly true! I give green votes when I think "bravo!" after reading the post, and yellow ones when I think "well this one's not bad." That's all, and yes it's very subjective, but after all that's what it's supposed to be. :-)

As for the grammar and stuff. Few non-English NAOees have made their Cambridge Proficiency yet (I know I haven't :-) ), and that's perfectly okay. Grammar should only be rated (down) if the writer obviously is too lazy to type correct words or uses 'l33t sp33ch.

On a side note, who thinks there should be an NAO FAQ with an exhaustive "rating" section?

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Sep 04, 2002 17:12 # 5043

andromacha *** replies...

Re: Green rating utopia

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Null said that he gives yellow when he doesn't think that the writer put his heart in what he wrote.

Yes, I am sorry. I jumped to conclusions, and I apologize. I misunderstood what you wrote on green ratings and I got misleaded.

As for the grammar and stuff. Few non-English NAOees have made their Cambridge Proficiency yet (I know I haven't :-) ), and that's perfectly okay.

Excuse me, but PET really sucks. It is an idiot test which anyone can pass with merit without problems. I myself passed it with merit, getting excellent in every subject graded. I hope you were kidding when you gave importance to that silly certificate.

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Sep 04, 2002 17:35 # 5047

null has all the information you need...

Re: Green rating utopia

Actually I'm not talking about that PET thing (Preliminary English Test) but about the CPE, which basically means that people can't tell the difference between you and a native English speaker. I've had to pass that PET thing too as part of my school diploma, and it's very basic stuff. But that's not the point, all I'm trying to say is that you're allowed to make mistakes without getting rated down. I mean, our English is still way better than most other NAOees' German or Italian. :-)

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Sep 04, 2002 17:59 # 5048

andromacha *** replies...

Re: Green rating utopia

:) Yeah, we are really good at English :P

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Sep 04, 2002 17:24 # 5046

Orchid *** can sympathize...

Re: Green rating utopia

On a side note, who thinks there should be an NAO FAQ with an exhaustive "rating" section?

Good idea! :-)

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This post was edited by Orchid on Sep 04, 2002.

Sep 04, 2002 18:31 # 5049

ReallyCoolDude *** has a suggestion...

Re: Green rating utopia

83% | 2

On a side note, who thinks there should be an NAO FAQ with an exhaustive "rating"

Well, I had given that suggestion long back when we had the ratings discussion after I got a little irritated after my experience with the orange ratings.

But now I feel that instead of a FAQ (which most people will hardly read, and most of the times others have to just point a link to the FAQ whenever this topic comes up - which I am sure, will arise again), we can have a separate forum named "Ratings".

I believe that the amount of discussions on this topic so many times is enough qualification for it to have it's own forum. So, everytime someone doesn't understand what are the ratings for, instead of looking in the FAQ (which sounds boring too sometimes), they can look it under the Ratings forum. :)

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