Reading Rating Complaints

Sep 04, 2002 19:08 # 5051

Martin *** replies...

Re: Green rating utopia

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On a side note, who thinks there should be an NAO FAQ with an exhaustive "rating"

I agree with RCD, just a FAQ wont be enough. I mean, we saw it just now again, there are rules written down, but nobody seems to read, not even notice it. So why should just a FAQ page be more attractive to new users?

Maybe a forum is a good idea. We should ask Jaz to redirect all threads regarding rating discussions we had so far to this new forum, so everything ever said on this topic would be at the same place for the user's convenience.

And questions like this might be posted there too:
Right now that we're talking about this stuff, right now that I think everybody reread the guildline to rating, how the hell can it be that this post gets a Red? I mean, okay, its not that especially eloquent, but its not spam, nor a flame and I cant see the asshole behind the post either. The guy wrote another pretty nice post.
Somebody had to compensate his frustrations?!? Come on! What kind of kindergarten is this gonna be?

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Sep 04, 2002 17:16 # 5044

Orchid *** replies...

Re: Green rating utopia

Grammatically well written? (...) Oh and it's better you don't say that a post is well written based on the English skill of the writer, or you'd deserve a couple of yellows more than what you've gotten until now.

English skills are no criterium for rating a post. I mean we can't expect our non-english people to have a good command on that language.

But of course some users doubt at the posts of new users when they are of totally bad english (like mine ;-) ) and don't have any meaning, too.

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Sep 04, 2002 17:03 # 5040

Orchid *** shakes her head...

Re: Green rating utopia

And, null, a 2 lines post doesn't always deserve a yellow.

IMHO a 2 lines post doesn't deserve any rating. You can't say it is well written when the author just spent some mere seconds to write it...

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Sep 04, 2002 17:17 # 5045

andromacha *** replies...

Re: Green rating utopia

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IMHO a 2 lines post doesn't deserve any rating.

Very true, Orchid. I agree with you. Let's not rate those posts. We are free to write a joke every now and again, as Hawkeye did, but there's no need for the others to rate our posts. :)

I think we should stop arguing over such a foolish thing. It was right to discuss about it, but I guess that's enough for now.

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Sep 04, 2002 16:46 # 5037

Orchid *** shakes her head...

Re: Green rating utopia

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Can't we just live in a world where we all give ourselves green ratings? Obviously that won't be the case, but green ratings should be done by DEFAULT! Yellow and red, in my opinion, is a demerit and doesn't deserve to be delivered to an undeserving victim simply because the rater puts yellow if something inspiring or uplifting wasn't presented before him in the post.

Err... if everybody would rate everybody green, why should we rate at all?

Yellow is NO demerit. Read the description. It is a good written post, too, not so good like a green but worth reading, too.
A yellow vote is better than no vote because the reader cared about your post. No vote means that the user didn't read it or doesn't think it's worth to get rated.

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Sep 04, 2002 20:12 # 5052

Hawkeye *** replies...

Re: Green rating utopia

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Think of this from another point of view. A person who is new to Netalive signs on and posts a very well-written thread. It is very deep in thought and even hits some points that otherwise would have never been thought of had he not put attention to it. It obviously deserves green ratings, right? Well someone reading it feeling he doesn't want to read the whole post, and so he reads a first few sentences.. skips to the bottom.. "not bad" he thinks to himself decides it will be rated yellow.

He clearly didn't deserve a yellow for such a well-written post, but he got one anyway. For all the research and thought he placed into that thread, he deserved nothing but a green rating. He got a yellow instead. To him, this was a DEMERIT! It was punishment for a well-written thread, because all in all anything other than a green would have been a demerit.

So if a yellow can be a demerit in this instance, then why isn't it a demerit with other well-written posts? Just because some guy doesn't put much thought into his post doesn't mean it deserves a yellow.

This post too, might get a yellow. Why? I have no idea. It is certainly well written with much thought placed into it. Anything less than a green will be a demerit (if I may be so bold).

Also, sometimes it isn't about "rank" but about respect to each other's opinions. I could care less about having 3 white stars.

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Sep 04, 2002 20:23 # 5053

Orchid *** replies...

Re: Green rating utopia

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Well someone reading it feeling he doesn't want to read the whole post, and so he reads a first few sentences.. skips to the bottom..

I don't think that we old NAOies rate a post when we didn't read it wholly. It would just not be fair and I think we all know that, don't you think so?

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Sep 04, 2002 21:23 # 5054

Martin *** takes out his flame thrower...

Re: Green rating utopia

90% | 3

A person who is new to Netalive signs on and posts a very well-written thread. It is very deep in thought and even hits some points that otherwise would have never been thought of had he not put attention to it. It obviously deserves green ratings, right? Well someone reading it feeling he doesn't want to read the whole post, and so he reads a first few sentences.. skips to the bottom.. "not bad" he thinks to himself decides it will be rated yellow.

I absolutely agree with Orchid and even dare to go a step further. If you, Hawkeye, read and rate posts this way - how can you have this idea and assume anyone else does if you dont do it yourself? - its fine with me, your own decision. But its not at all okay to accuse anybody here of such a superficiality.

He clearly didn't deserve a yellow for such a well-written post, but he got one anyway. For all the research and thought he placed into that thread, he deserved nothing but a green rating.

And its also not at all okay, its - excuse the word - arrogant to think of your own posts as "well written" and "very deep in thought". Dont forget we are talking here about taste, not measurable properties. Whether or not I find a post outstanding is nothing that you can know or decide, never, not in a million years, no matter how much effort you put into writing your post. Tell you what: I'm very glad about that.

He got a yellow instead. To him, this was a DEMERIT! It was punishment for a well-written thread, because all in all anything other than a green would have been a demerit.

So not rating it at all is a even bigger demerit, right? So all other 10 regular users that didn't rate your post at all did offend you even more! Man, you must have a hell of bad time here at NAO.....

This post too, might get a yellow. Why? I have no idea. It is certainly well written with much thought placed into it. Anything less than a green will be a demerit (if I may be so bold).

I wont do you the favor to reward this "well written" post with a yellow one, cause the only way to show my refusals is to NOT vote at all.

Why are you just taking the rating stuff sooooooo serious? We are here to exchange thoughts, not to determine who's the best writer. I was in different kind of schools long enough to know that I dont need marks for what I write anymore, not at all in my spare time. Go and write your thesis, if you feel the need to be brilliant. I'm just interested in honest and unpolished opinions, not in composed essays.

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This post was edited by Martin on Sep 04, 2002.

Sep 04, 2002 21:41 # 5055

Hawkeye *** replies...

Re: Green rating utopia

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First of all, Martin, my post was in no way intended to offend you, which it seemed to do anyway.

Second, excuse me for saying my own post was well written. Maybe I'm not the best judge, but it could have just as easily been some annonymous user. The point is exactly the same.

Go and write your thesis, if you feel the need to be brilliant. I'm just interested in honest and unpolished opinions, not in composed essays.

Can you now understand the reason why I assumed people might "skip" these well-written posts. Suddenly opinions are named "composed essays," as you worded it, that apparently don't deserve any recognition beyond a yellow rating. The whole point of yellow and red ratings are to ward off jerks from this site, not to bash some well-written post, Martin. Most every post deserves a green rating here. May I remind you that I don't agree with all the opinions, but they still deserve green posts.

If the rating system isn't something you take seriously, then you probably shouldn't rank people. A requirement of all judges in serious events like figure skating are that the judges take these events equally serious. If they were flimsy and could care less how they rated, then they might as well not even have judges. You could say this isn't a serious event, but then those that don't think figure skating is a serious event aren't asked to be judges of such competitions either.

Also I might add that not ranking at all is not good or bad. It is like having 9 grades make up a semester grade in class, and the 10th one isn't factored in. It doesn't influence the average at all.

Sorry if this seems like a "composed essay" to you Martin. I'm just speaking my opinion. Rate me red if you like. Just be consistent.

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Sep 04, 2002 22:19 # 5057

Martin *** replies...

Re: Green rating utopia

90% | 3

The whole point of yellow and red ratings are to ward off jerks from this site, not to bash some well-written post, Martin. Most every post deserves a green rating here. May I remind you that I don't agree with all the opinions, but they still deserve green posts.

<sigh> You dont want to understand, right? The Yellow is NOT to keep off the idiots, the Yellow is a above average reward! Very few of the posts deserve a green rating, the yellow is the first stage of compliment I can give for a post, green is the second, very rarely reached stage. And its (read should be) not at all about the opinions. What we've seen during the last weeks is just an inflationary, undeserved use of Greens!

If the rating system isn't something you take seriously, then you probably shouldn't rank people.

If you had read the old threads to this topic you might have found out that I always called into question this whole rating and ranking stuff. Just for exactly this reason: because the writing of posts becomes a mere race for green ratings, and because rating those posts is always again the reason for arguments just like this that endanger the feeling of community. So finally we all agreed to use it ONLY to keep the lamers out and for nothing else. Its just so sad, that we have to go through this again and again.

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