Reading Rating Complaints

Sep 07, 2002 16:19 # 5156

frank *** replies...

Re: Green rating utopia

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Sep 07, 2002 16:54 # 5157

MrCrash *** throws in his two cents...

Re: Green rating utopia

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Uhm...
I didn't contribute anything to this topic yet, but I feel a strong urge to throw in my 2 cents and agree with Frank...
Let's just sit back, take a deep breath and have a more distant look at the whole thing.

Fact: Hawkeye thinks he deserves more/only green ratings for his posts. This is his opinion which can't be proved right or wrong. It just is.

Fact: Only few (if anyone except Andromacha) are willing to do so, because of well (overnovernovernover) explained reasons regarding the very purpose of the NAO-rating system and some personal viewpoints 'n' stuff.

Fact: Appearantly nothing will change about this in the next time.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I guess Hawkeye an NAO just don't fit together. It might be that easy. And I bet you didn't need me to figure this out... ;)

Well, just my 2 cents...

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Sep 08, 2002 20:32 # 5175

Hawkeye *** replies...

Re: Green rating utopia

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Ok, I don't think you quite understand here. If my purpose of this was to get green ratings, I would have stopped posting here a long time ago. This isn't about that. I'm sorry if you think I deserve a red just because I want a green.

This is getting WAY out of hand here! Stop attacking each other please. Please be the adults in this conversation and stop pointing fingers.

Who said that? I said that, and I meant it! My attempt to stop this stupid stupid behavior has been in vain. Some of you need to gain a little perspective. I'm trying to give my opinion and I'm getting pushed out of Netalive for it (andromacha as well). Seriously, if this is what netalife is about, I would have NEVER joined. Martin, you made andromacha cry. Yes, CRY for heaven's sake. This goes way beyond "ratings" now. In your eyes, I seemed to be a perfectly acceptable netalive contributer until.. *gasp* I had an opinion that differed from yours! Deny this all you want, but it is plain to see from any outsider.

When I leave, it is easy to say "well he didn't belong here anyway," but I ask of you,... No, I demand of you to see what you are doing. My only crime is having an opinion different than yours. So what is netalive becoming if they force out anyone that disagrees with their own opinion? Close-minded... I hope all of you one day break free from this terrible disease that seems to plague all of you.

From what I hear, basically the only way I can make you accept me again is to admit you are right, and NOT try to write green posts anymore. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to change my beliefs as a human being to appease you, and neither is andromacha. Sorry I wasted your time trying to convince you of an outside opinion. I truly wish the best for all of you.

Neil

If the world should blow itself up,the last audible voice would be an expert saying it can't be done

This post was edited by Hawkeye on Sep 08, 2002.

Sep 08, 2002 20:37 # 5176

andromacha *** replies...

Re: Green rating utopia

Bravo!!!! We don't need to be insulted and offended all the time because our opinions differ from theirs. There's no way we can work things out, and probably no one on Nao wants to work things out. The truth is that no one cares about our opinion, so posting here doesn't make sense anymore.

I wish the best to everyone (in hope that you get less narrow-minded than what you are now).
Elena.

Italy no longer accepts illegal immigrants. Mr. B sink their boats!!!!!!!

This post was edited by andromacha on Sep 08, 2002.

Sep 09, 2002 01:42 # 5181

Ettena *** isn't happy...

SAD :(

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I really find it sad that a discussion like this could make two persons leave a community.

I - being quite a computer newbie I have to admit, have only known those kinds of discussions that lead to a split-up from these ugly teenie-girl fights. Though I've never been in one myself, I have two girl friends who went through such a fight and split up with their best-best friend forever just because of their mutual stubborness about a silly nothing.

Back then, I thought this could only happen to hormone-driven, female teenagers who couldn't but look through their tiny, narrow eye-glasses.

Today I learned different. An adult-community seems to have split up.

Back then, I was too concerned about my own teenage problems to try to interfere or do anything about it.

Today I'm no teenager anymore and that's why I want to tell you, Andromacha and Hawkeye, what I should have told my friends back then: that for me it is a loss without you on NAO. I don't care about what your discussion was about and who is right or wrong. I just regret your absence and I will miss your posts. I'm sure I'm not the only one who does.

Of course you are free to do whatever you like, I just wanted to let you know that there is someone who will miss you.

And that I would welcome you back immediately.

Tschüss, alder Babbsack! Hier parkste richtig.

Sep 09, 2002 12:50 # 5192

gentledeepwaters *** replies...

Re: SAD :(

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Ettena.......you have my utmost respect and liking.....and I agree after catching up on all this.........uh......tempest in a teapot.

Folks....we are in an unusual position..

We are a scattered family who has CHOSEN to be one.....and we are around a huge kitchen table......bringing our different talents, ideas, and baggage from our pasts, different tools of dealing with stuff to the table...

Now I dearly wanna discuss Gayness.........dammit!!!!!!!

quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Sep 09, 2002 10:22 # 5186

Martin *** is unsure about...

Re: Green rating utopia

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I'm trying to give my opinion and I'm getting pushed out of Netalive for it (andromacha as well). Seriously, if this is what netalife is about, I would have NEVER joined.

Noone is pushing you out. There are other tools to do that if we'd seriously wanted it to do and you would not be able to login at all if we had that in mind. The fact that you CAN keep coming back again and again should be indication enough that you are not driven out. Dont seek the cause for the current situation with anybody else but yourself. It was you who said to leave NAO, not us who forbid your return! And still its your very own decision. When I said its not making me sad if you leave, that doesnt mean I'm pushing you out. Dont take yourself too important, whether you are here to post or not really doesn't change my day too much, not at all to be honest.

Martin, you made andromacha cry. Yes, CRY for heaven's sake.

And again.
I'm asking this now for the third time: what did I do that you keep calling me your enemy?
If you dont answer that question, Andromacha, I'm not able to see any fault and thus not able to correct anything I might have done wrong. But just repeating the same old wrong statement doesn't make it right, but is just makin me more and more angry. I think I have been pretty relaxed so far, I've not even started to insult anyone, and I dont intend to. But if you force me by permanent slaps in the face, I have to react. You shouldn't open the box, if you cant handle what's coming out!

I seemed to be a perfectly acceptable netalive contributer until.. *gasp* I had an opinion that differed from yours! Deny this all you want, but it is plain to see from any outsider.

And you still are, noone said anything different. YOU announced to leave without anyone ever asking you to. If everyone ever left that had a different opinion, Jaz would propably be on his own here, maybe Ettena would join him, but thats about it. I had way harder arguments than this with Frank for example over the years. But WE were able to calm down at the right moment and understood we dont mean to hurt each other, while you and your good girl turned over to personal attacks. What d'you expect? To crown you King just because you are able to write more than 10 sentences in a row?

When I leave, it is easy to say "well he didn't belong here anyway," but I ask of you,... No, I demand of you to see what you are doing. My only crime is having an opinion different than yours. So what is netalive becoming if they force out anyone that disagrees with their own opinion?

There is noone right from the start who "does not belong here". The strength of a community like this is its diversity, the difference in opinions. If we always agree to oneanother there is no discussion arising and netalive would be pretty much dead.
And to say it loud and clear once again: WE are doing nothing with you! YOU decided to leave.
Your "crime" is not to have a different opinion, but to not accept that you cannot change anything about the common view of things! I said it at least two times that its absolutely okay with me you see it your way, but that is not enough for you. Why? What are you trying to achieve? The discussion might have ended then. But you repeated it again and again, while your good girl started shooting in the backs. And still noone asked you to leave.
What really makes me think is that it needs someone who didn't follow the discussion to say "No, dont leave, I'll be missing you". Although you announced it now for the third time and keep coming back still, noone asked you before, funny, isn't it?
Is this a great conspiracy against Hawkeye and Andromacha? Did all NAO users, but the ones who were on vacation, agree to push you out? Did we secretly arrange your firing? Did I, Martin, persuade or bribe everybody else to hate you? Did I, Martin, grind out an oath on you and got all other users under my spell as well? AM I, MARTIN, THE TRUE EVIL?
Dont you see the rediculousness of this whole escalation?

After decades of construction my website is finally up an running: www.kkds.de

Sep 09, 2002 11:37 # 5187

andromacha *** replies...

To Martin

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Martin, you made andromacha cry. Yes, CRY for heaven's sake.

I think you know what you said that hurt me. If not, try to think about all the ways you called me. Read your posts again if you don't remember.

And are you still planning to have me for breakfast? I did nothing to you, but you simply attacked me that way. I did nothing to deserve it if not supporting my boyfriend.

And when I tried to make you see his point, you yelled at me even louder. I'm not saying that you owe me an apology because we had a difference of opinion. Everyone on Nao can post what he feels, but no one obliges him to change his mind on some threads. Though, I think that you owe me an apology at least for the many things you told me. I interpreted them as insults, and maybe that was not what you meant, but still they were insults in my opinion.

At the same time, I want to apologize with you if I somehow offended you in my previous posts. I was just trying to defend myself from what I considered personal attacks.
Thank you for taking your time and reading what I wrote.

Italy no longer accepts illegal immigrants. Mr. B sink their boats!!!!!!!

This post was edited by andromacha on Sep 09, 2002.

Sep 09, 2002 17:07 # 5198

Martin *** replies...

Re: To Martin

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Wow, this is one surprise! Not a bad one though! And I thought the next move would be to fix a meeting at 5 am behind the church for a duell!

Seriously. Maybe we can learn something from it. So this is how wars, even flamewars start. Everybody feels offended by the other side and feels the need to defend, with that lining up bigger weapons each round. I'd really like to analyze this, but at the moment it'll be getting us nowhere. So all I can say now is that I'm sorry to have made you cry, that was not at all my intention. I tend to forget in situations like this that not everybody has the same fun in arguing like I have, but might take it way more serious than its meant to be. After all you, both of you, never have been my enemy, as well as you I was just defending and did not understand at all why you kept on firing.

I think I'm known meanwhile to exaggerate every now and then, Frank got used to it quite well meanwhile (did you?), RCD had his share, but I think once you know me a little better you will learn that we can have a hard arguement but still belong to a very nice little family that is spread all over the world which just feels great. And there will be noone excluded from this family just for having a different opinion or for arguing with other members (if so I'd be gone 2 days after joining!). I was not aware of the fact that you and Hawkeye based your decision on MY behavior. If you wonna leave and its my fault as it seems I MUST apologize. This is NOT what I want. I dont wonna be the reason for anyone to leave. As I said before, I didn't have the chance really to know you better. Maybe we can just start anew and give each other a second chance, this includes Hawkeye as well as you, Andromacha.

Peace!

After decades of construction my website is finally up an running: www.kkds.de

Sep 09, 2002 17:18 # 5201

andromacha *** replies...

Re: To Martin

Danke schön, Martin. Ich bin sehr glücklich! :)

I hope this is the beginning of something new. I am sure that Neil will appreciate much what you did.

Italy no longer accepts illegal immigrants. Mr. B sink their boats!!!!!!!


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