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Dec 09, 2002 10:01 # 6889

fallenangel *** replies...

Re: Mmh.

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Dec 09, 2002 23:08 # 6911

ivy *** replies...

Re: Mmh.

What I mean is that if you wear what you don't want to wear you deny yourself. It means that you do as someone else tells you not because you like it but because it's what's expected of you. Because the majority do so. And there are several ways to deny yourself, not just in the clothing!

Just as many people go to nightclubs, almost everybody in my age here in Sweden at least. Well I seldom do. And there's not many who instead likes to take a walk in the forest. Should I start going to nightclubs because that's what's expected? That's also denying myself.

Or, I'm not a christian. I'm an occultist. Then should I become a christian just because that's the common thing to be?

Or, I have lots of friends believing in anarchy, fighting with the police and stuff. I don't. Should I do that to fit in among them?

you see, I don't define myself by the clothes I wear. I wear what I like and if I started wearing anything else it would be dying myself for it would mean that I'd be wearing something I didn't like. And everything you don't like but still do because of what other people think of you or want you to do is in fact denying yourself. Individuality above all.

carpe diem.

Dec 10, 2002 10:30 # 6924

Jaz *** shakes his head...

Clothes != Personality

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And everything you don't like but still do because of what other people think of you or want you to do is in fact denying yourself.

No, what we're talking about here is adapting to a minor requirement of change in order to get what you want. It is not about giving up a truely self-definining philosophy like "help others", "never hurt an innocent" or similiar things that actually do say something about you. Two pounds of cotton don't.

Individuality above all.

More power to you, but interacting with strangers always means to temporarily place back some less popular aspects of your personality to get along as you can't convey all of what you are in a short business meeting. The people you encounter there have to predeem you because there's isn't time for more. You, me, everyone is doing the same all the time.

You're judging the lady on the street because she wears an ugly fur coat. I probably would, too. Maybe there's some perfectly noble explanation why she wears that coat but the point is we have no idea and honestly don't care.

When dealing with strangers, accept some irrelevant changes or learn to live with the consequences of letting it be. Once you get to know someone better you can take off that flimsy layer of icing on the cake and actually do something to tear down intolerance. But just crying foul won't do that!

'Yeah, That's what Jesus would do. Jesus would bomb Afghanistan. Yeah.' - snowlion

Dec 11, 2002 00:48 # 6940

ivy *** replies...

Re: Clothes != Personality

I am willing to do some changes as I've allready written. I have white shirts and lots of blue jeans. And I wear them to. And I could wear them at work. But I won't dye my hair in another color. About 2 months ago I was in fact blonde but I didn't like it. I like black hair and I won't change it. I don't fit in any other haircolor. And about the piercings. They're really hard to get out and when I once had one out for a couple of hours the hole almost dissappeared and when I put in the piercing again it started bleading. I don't think they're tasteless. It's just like having your ears pierced. In time people will get used to it. Not now but in 50 years I think it will be conscidered normal. I mean, 20 years ago none but punks had piercings. Now many people have. The blonde girl with a little pearl in her nose is accepted. But not the blackhaired with a ring.

Well, I have nothing more to ad. Most of you doesn't share my opinion so we could go on about this forever not getting anywhere anyway. I think the attitudes should change, not me.

carpe diem.

Dec 11, 2002 03:13 # 6945

oxygenius *** wants to note...

Re: Clothes != Personality

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Not now but in 50 years I think it will be conscidered normal. I mean, 20 years ago none but punks had piercings.

it's like metal. 20 years ago, you were said to be a satanist and are eating heads of bats and other shit like that.

nowadays, you're said to be a goth. *LOL* :D

nah, for real: nowadays, metal is somehow established - you can go out in (black) jeans, having long hair, listening to oh so evil Iron Maiden and will still be accepted.

okay, certainly there are still prejudices and prejudicers, but that's nothing compared how it was 10, 15 years ago..

and that, ALTHOUGH metal is MORE into anarchism than ANY goddamn way of living (yeah, metal is a livestyle, not just some music)!

but one questions still remains: wouldn't it be some kind of less interesting to wear piercings, having tatoos and stuff, if it was all accepted and that?

for instance, when I decided to "come back" from the goth to the metal scene, I was kind of irritated for a long time, how well you get treated when you just dont use no white paint, and other bunch of shit anymore...

- I always kept asking myself: "HELL!? why those suckers don't ask me whether i'm a big bad evil satanist or not?!? man, that's unnerving!" (you have to see: i used to have a full-styled irocese all the time ;))

cu, w0lf.

ps: METAL IS THE LAW! METAL HAS NO LAWS! :D

Metal has no laws. Metal is the law.

Dec 09, 2002 21:43 # 6904

marc ** throws in his two cents...

Re: Judged by appearance.

That only makes them stronger and "proves" that the mainstream is right and all other is wrong.

"The only reason why the mainstream is so broad is because it is so shallow."

And it is shallow in many places. Adapting in some of them saves you the power to fight those which are really worth it.

-marc

Dec 09, 2002 21:50 # 6906

marc ** can sympathize...

Re: Judged by appearance.

I allready think this world is a horrible place and this really doesn't make it better.

But it is also a magical world, we just have to realize it.

-marc

Dec 09, 2002 21:23 # 6903

Orchid *** shakes her head...

Re: Judged by appearance.

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What's wrong with prejudices? They're there to save you. But prejudices are also there to dismiss for everyone who risks a second glimpse.

"Sie wollen nichts anderes. Sie wollen kämpfen! Sie sind Soldaten! Fucking Wahnsinnige!" - Noel G.

This post was edited by Orchid on Dec 09, 2002.

Dec 09, 2002 23:14 # 6912

ivy *** replies...

Re: Judged by appearance.

They're not fun for they're everywhere and I meet them all the time. I mean, it isn't funny to be judged as some freak sacrificing stuff to the devil. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if someone thought that of you.

carpe diem.

Dec 09, 2002 23:28 # 6913

Orchid *** replies...

Re: Judged by appearance.

I mean, it isn't funny to be judged as some freak sacrificing stuff to the devil.

So, prejudices save you of falling for shallow and superficial people, don't they?

I don't think everybody will think that of you. Your clothes and haircolors are really normal nowadays... Has anybody called you so?? And I mean even when, then it must have been some loser hiding behind his oh-so-funny-mask or something and therefor you can ignore him easily or bark back.

"Sie wollen nichts anderes. Sie wollen kämpfen! Sie sind Soldaten! Fucking Wahnsinnige!" - Noel G.


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